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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 8297241" data-attributes="member: 57112"><p>Serious list time</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Duck Tales</em></strong> (2017) - No seriously, though, this is such a great damn show. The humor works, the heartwarming stuff works, the moments of nostalgia work, the triplets have defined personalities, the cast is amazing (including the always under-appreciated Paget Brewster). Sure, it throws a lot of stuff at the wall; it's just that nearly everything sticks.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Bluey </em></strong>(AUS) - If you don't have young kids I wouldn't go out of your way to watch it, but if you do have young kids watch this with them immediately. I think it's on Disney+. Genuinely funny, genuinely heartwarming, and it always has a wonderful lesson (for kids and, sometimes, for parents).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>The Witcher </em></strong>- Yeah it's not all kiddy stuff on this list. The Witcher isn't going to win any awards for deep storytelling, but it's exactly what it needed to be, which is <em>fun</em>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>The Good Place - </em></strong>The only sitcom that is consistently excellent all the way through (don't @ me), and it did it while being both hilarious and having actual insight in the human condition.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Lost - </em></strong>Say what you will, but Lost changed the face of TV, and it did it with unique storytelling and characters that were always compelling (if not always or even often likeable). People hate on it a lot because it left a lot of mysteries of the island unexplained (and the magic bathplug at the end <em>was </em>a little weak), but that's never what the show was about.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Battlestar Galactica </em></strong>- It's become trendy to look back on this show with disdain, and in some ways that's fair (<strong><em>Caprica </em></strong>being awful didn't help, and BSG had some clunker episodes, and the last five minutes of the show were just plain terrible), but this show was as big as it was for as long as it was because it was <em>good</em>. I dare you to find a more compelling hour of TV, from beginning to end, than "33". I'll wait.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Haunting of Bly Manor </em></strong>- I was worried about this, because <strong><em>Hill House </em></strong>was also very good, but <strong><em>Bly Manor </em></strong>is better in every conceivable way. Both seasons are very good. There's not a lot of jump scares here; the horror is very slow burn and melancholy.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Deadwood </em></strong>- Ended before its time, this is another show with an absolutely phenomenal cast that makes us root for both good guys and the bad guys. Quite possibly the best dialogue on television. There's something almost Shakespearean about the writing, right down to the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDs9xJJKmc" target="_blank">fool's monologue</a> (warning: language).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Buffy the Vampire Slayer </em></strong>- A show that somehow holds up both better <em>and </em>worse than you'd expect it to. Reckoning with Joss Whedon's legacy makes it difficult to not color perceptions of his presentation of "female empowerment". It's also one of the whitest shows set in Southern California I've ever seen (<strong><em>Deadwood</em></strong>, of all things, has a more diverse cast). Still, this is the only show that can compete with Lost in terms of how much it's contributed to the face of modern TV, and that's for a reason. Nobody was really doing storytelling like this on TV, and more than anything, <em>that's </em>the aspect that holds. (Also, Season 6's allegory for depression works way better than people want to give it credit for).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>She-ra and the Princesses of Power </em></strong>- Someone asked the right question at the right time: "What if Buffy, but <em>even more gay" </em>and the end result was this very excellent series. It had some missteps (A non-binary character? Yay! They're a shapeshifting con artist who thrives on chaos? Uhh...) but if you ended up missing out on this for whatever reason, it's worth a shot. The animation is a <em>little </em>rough, but the writing and characters more than make up for it.</li> </ul><p>Not Appearing on This List:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Avatar the Last Airbender </em></strong>- Recently re-watched it and... it doesn't hold up as well as I remembered? The Aang/Katara stuff in general was realllly rough. Toph still rules though.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Angel </em></strong>- Occasionally better than Buffy; usually worse though, and it had longer (and deeper) rough patches. Gunn still rules though.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Breaking Bad </em></strong>- Along with Sopranos and The Wire, these are shows that I can recognize as having quality, but feature stories and characters that I just don't care about at all.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><em>Brooklyn 9-9 </em></strong>- At it's best it competes with <strong><em>The Good Place </em></strong>(by the same production company, if I recall correctly), but it has some more distinct downturns and missteps. Rosa still rules though.</li> </ul></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 8297241, member: 57112"] Serious list time [LIST] [*][B][I]Duck Tales[/I][/B] (2017) - No seriously, though, this is such a great damn show. The humor works, the heartwarming stuff works, the moments of nostalgia work, the triplets have defined personalities, the cast is amazing (including the always under-appreciated Paget Brewster). Sure, it throws a lot of stuff at the wall; it's just that nearly everything sticks. [*][B][I]Bluey [/I][/B](AUS) - If you don't have young kids I wouldn't go out of your way to watch it, but if you do have young kids watch this with them immediately. I think it's on Disney+. Genuinely funny, genuinely heartwarming, and it always has a wonderful lesson (for kids and, sometimes, for parents). [*][B][I]The Witcher [/I][/B]- Yeah it's not all kiddy stuff on this list. The Witcher isn't going to win any awards for deep storytelling, but it's exactly what it needed to be, which is [I]fun[/I]. [*][B][I]The Good Place - [/I][/B]The only sitcom that is consistently excellent all the way through (don't @ me), and it did it while being both hilarious and having actual insight in the human condition. [*][B][I]Lost - [/I][/B]Say what you will, but Lost changed the face of TV, and it did it with unique storytelling and characters that were always compelling (if not always or even often likeable). People hate on it a lot because it left a lot of mysteries of the island unexplained (and the magic bathplug at the end [I]was [/I]a little weak), but that's never what the show was about. [*][B][I]Battlestar Galactica [/I][/B]- It's become trendy to look back on this show with disdain, and in some ways that's fair ([B][I]Caprica [/I][/B]being awful didn't help, and BSG had some clunker episodes, and the last five minutes of the show were just plain terrible), but this show was as big as it was for as long as it was because it was [I]good[/I]. I dare you to find a more compelling hour of TV, from beginning to end, than "33". I'll wait. [*][B][I]Haunting of Bly Manor [/I][/B]- I was worried about this, because [B][I]Hill House [/I][/B]was also very good, but [B][I]Bly Manor [/I][/B]is better in every conceivable way. Both seasons are very good. There's not a lot of jump scares here; the horror is very slow burn and melancholy. [*][B][I]Deadwood [/I][/B]- Ended before its time, this is another show with an absolutely phenomenal cast that makes us root for both good guys and the bad guys. Quite possibly the best dialogue on television. There's something almost Shakespearean about the writing, right down to the [URL='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMDs9xJJKmc']fool's monologue[/URL] (warning: language). [*][B][I]Buffy the Vampire Slayer [/I][/B]- A show that somehow holds up both better [I]and [/I]worse than you'd expect it to. Reckoning with Joss Whedon's legacy makes it difficult to not color perceptions of his presentation of "female empowerment". It's also one of the whitest shows set in Southern California I've ever seen ([B][I]Deadwood[/I][/B], of all things, has a more diverse cast). Still, this is the only show that can compete with Lost in terms of how much it's contributed to the face of modern TV, and that's for a reason. Nobody was really doing storytelling like this on TV, and more than anything, [I]that's [/I]the aspect that holds. (Also, Season 6's allegory for depression works way better than people want to give it credit for). [*][B][I]She-ra and the Princesses of Power [/I][/B]- Someone asked the right question at the right time: "What if Buffy, but [I]even more gay" [/I]and the end result was this very excellent series. It had some missteps (A non-binary character? Yay! They're a shapeshifting con artist who thrives on chaos? Uhh...) but if you ended up missing out on this for whatever reason, it's worth a shot. The animation is a [I]little [/I]rough, but the writing and characters more than make up for it. [/LIST] Not Appearing on This List: [LIST] [*][B][I]Avatar the Last Airbender [/I][/B]- Recently re-watched it and... it doesn't hold up as well as I remembered? The Aang/Katara stuff in general was realllly rough. Toph still rules though. [*][B][I]Angel [/I][/B]- Occasionally better than Buffy; usually worse though, and it had longer (and deeper) rough patches. Gunn still rules though. [*][B][I]Breaking Bad [/I][/B]- Along with Sopranos and The Wire, these are shows that I can recognize as having quality, but feature stories and characters that I just don't care about at all. [*][B][I]Brooklyn 9-9 [/I][/B]- At it's best it competes with [B][I]The Good Place [/I][/B](by the same production company, if I recall correctly), but it has some more distinct downturns and missteps. Rosa still rules though. [/LIST] [/QUOTE]
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