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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 7461657" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>3.x just has a HUGE problem with casters being gods and everyone else being irrelevant. There are very few real limitations on casting and those are easily overcome if your DM actually tries to make an issue of them in practice. When the best you can be as a non-caster is tier 3, no matter what you do build-wise short of being handed something like 5 of the best items in the book, its pretty ridiculous. Even then you won't approach the versatility of a tier 1 caster, not even close.</p><p></p><p>PF doesn't help this at all really. There were options that might do so in 3.5 books, IF you stopped using the PHB classes, but that was not a very viable option for most tables.</p><p></p><p>The skill system is also kind of a bummer, and MCing is rather crazy. The idea that it is only because of 'too many options' IMHO doesn't cut it either, 3.0 PHB already has all the issues of 3e, ready made on day one. It just IS cumbersome. Its hard to run monsters, etc. etc. etc. It may be fun to play for various reasons, and late 2e was WORSE, but the reason 4e came out was purely that 3e cannot be fixed, its problems are inherent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 7461657, member: 82106"] 3.x just has a HUGE problem with casters being gods and everyone else being irrelevant. There are very few real limitations on casting and those are easily overcome if your DM actually tries to make an issue of them in practice. When the best you can be as a non-caster is tier 3, no matter what you do build-wise short of being handed something like 5 of the best items in the book, its pretty ridiculous. Even then you won't approach the versatility of a tier 1 caster, not even close. PF doesn't help this at all really. There were options that might do so in 3.5 books, IF you stopped using the PHB classes, but that was not a very viable option for most tables. The skill system is also kind of a bummer, and MCing is rather crazy. The idea that it is only because of 'too many options' IMHO doesn't cut it either, 3.0 PHB already has all the issues of 3e, ready made on day one. It just IS cumbersome. Its hard to run monsters, etc. etc. etc. It may be fun to play for various reasons, and late 2e was WORSE, but the reason 4e came out was purely that 3e cannot be fixed, its problems are inherent. [/QUOTE]
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