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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7464011" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>That's certainly a thing that can happen. 3.x was big on rewarding system mastery, and 4e both invalidated that mastery and greatly reduced the relative rewards for gaining & applying mastery of it. </p><p></p><p>I got less bent out of shape by that than I did when the 6th ed of Hero did the same sorta thing - though, to be fair, the challenge of acquiring system mastery was greater (and quite different), and the reward lesser, than in 3e.</p><p></p><p> Not sure I follow?</p><p></p><p></p><p> permerton's always providing helpful links. </p><p> For me, enough of that has happened that any usefulness (which I'm doubtful of in the firstplace) has been thoroughly undermined. Now, I am sarcastic (& bitter & cynical) on my best day, but I do feel that each new set of terms that gets rolled(npi) out (and GNS is at least a full generation back in the ongoing process of obfuscation), is just refining/recapitulating/reimaging/disguising the basic us-vs-'em false dichotomy of Role v Roll. </p><p>Which I was sick of w/in minutes back on UseNet.</p><p></p><p> The one potential abuse I've seen with reskinning or reflavoring was in the early days of Champions!, which went much further than any ed of D&D in giving players licence to describe their powers however they wanted, was to come up with a 'special effect' (description of a power) that concealed what it really was, so that your victims would be less likely to pull out a viable counter for it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7464011, member: 996"] That's certainly a thing that can happen. 3.x was big on rewarding system mastery, and 4e both invalidated that mastery and greatly reduced the relative rewards for gaining & applying mastery of it. I got less bent out of shape by that than I did when the 6th ed of Hero did the same sorta thing - though, to be fair, the challenge of acquiring system mastery was greater (and quite different), and the reward lesser, than in 3e. Not sure I follow? permerton's always providing helpful links. For me, enough of that has happened that any usefulness (which I'm doubtful of in the firstplace) has been thoroughly undermined. Now, I am sarcastic (& bitter & cynical) on my best day, but I do feel that each new set of terms that gets rolled(npi) out (and GNS is at least a full generation back in the ongoing process of obfuscation), is just refining/recapitulating/reimaging/disguising the basic us-vs-'em false dichotomy of Role v Roll. Which I was sick of w/in minutes back on UseNet. The one potential abuse I've seen with reskinning or reflavoring was in the early days of Champions!, which went much further than any ed of D&D in giving players licence to describe their powers however they wanted, was to come up with a 'special effect' (description of a power) that concealed what it really was, so that your victims would be less likely to pull out a viable counter for it. [/QUOTE]
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