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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9016532" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>Agreed on all points. But I'd say that "the ability to have unlimited spells known, and to invent new spells" are perfect as the subclass gimmicks for a sorcerer subclass.</p><p></p><p>I'd also say that "the ability to have unlimited spells known" actively dilutes most of the wizard subclasses, like the Illusionist and the necromancer. And that's why I want them demoted to a subclass; their class being a class actively undermines the theme of almost all their subclasses. Not that it will ever happen.</p><p></p><p>Because it's no longer 2007. The Barbarian is the primally empowered class, almost a martial mirror to the sorcerer. That person who got hit by the lightning at the heart of the century storm? If empowers them magically they are a sorcerer, if they channel its power into their body they are a barbarian. One of the many <em>many</em> improvements 4e made to the lore was to enable barbarians and sorcerers to strike out on their own rather than just be there.</p><p></p><p>No they aren't. Again it's no longer 2007.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 9016532, member: 87792"] Agreed on all points. But I'd say that "the ability to have unlimited spells known, and to invent new spells" are perfect as the subclass gimmicks for a sorcerer subclass. I'd also say that "the ability to have unlimited spells known" actively dilutes most of the wizard subclasses, like the Illusionist and the necromancer. And that's why I want them demoted to a subclass; their class being a class actively undermines the theme of almost all their subclasses. Not that it will ever happen. Because it's no longer 2007. The Barbarian is the primally empowered class, almost a martial mirror to the sorcerer. That person who got hit by the lightning at the heart of the century storm? If empowers them magically they are a sorcerer, if they channel its power into their body they are a barbarian. One of the many [I]many[/I] improvements 4e made to the lore was to enable barbarians and sorcerers to strike out on their own rather than just be there. No they aren't. Again it's no longer 2007. [/QUOTE]
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