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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3774796" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Heh. It's a good bluff, but if my explanation of events is correct, then the evil villain has made a big miscalculation. At some future point, the villain went back and launched the adventuring careers of a PC party. He now reasons that the PC's can't kill him, because then he won't be able to return to start the parties careers. Where he is mistaken is that he's now no longer in the timeline he originally left. He's not in his own past. So nothing he does now in this past will prevent his future self from a different future coming to this past and createing this PC party. Even if he remembers a PC party not killing him, this PC party could still kill him and all that would happen is that this version of himself wouldn't create the PC party in a different universe.</p><p></p><p>No causality loop is actually taking place. It just appears to be a causality loop to the time traveller because the parallel universes he is entering are so similar as to be indistinguishable. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's concievable that Krouto may initially believe something like this, but if the explanation I've given is adopted, he would be wrong.</p><p></p><p>Here is the actual timeline:</p><p></p><p>A) 'Krouto A' is created in a universe where warforged are invented by an Alakari empire. Krouto doesn't know how warforged came to be, as the secret is lost in the distant past.</p><p>B) Krouto time travels into the past of a different universe (universe B), and becomes the inspiration for warforged in that universe's Alakari empire. Otherwise this universe is very similar to Krouto's original universe, so in time Krouto B is created. </p><p>C) Krouto B meets Krouto A. Krouto A mistakes Krouto B for his past self because of the great similarities between the two universes, and tells Krouto A that he is his future self.</p><p>D) Krouto A time travels into the past believing that he is predestined to do so. He is now in universe C, where events B, C and D repeat (notably the OP gives a big clue that they don't repeat exactly). Each new Krouto is pushed over into the adjoining universe by the repeated time travel, but each believes that they have travelled into thier own past.</p><p>E) Krouto X is killed before travelling to the past. Since it is Krouto A from the root universe of these knowledge that initiated the invention of the Warforged, mysteriously (from the perspective of some that understands time less well than a Time Lord), nothing immediately happens. Krouto V has already arrived in the past of this universe, with the Pyschosis and with the knowledge that will allow the invention of warforged in this universe. Preventing Krouto X from going back into the past doesn't change that. However, the chain is broken and many many universes that might otherwise have been infected are saved. However, the Psychosis, already having arrived through the agency of Krouto V still must be stopped in this universe and all the universes which it has previously spread to.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's sort of the idea. I figure that the root universe is not unique, and that thousands or millions of variants of Krouto A have initiated this chain of events of hopping around in many universes in paralllel. (Hense, literally billions of universes have been effected.) Likewise if the Psychosis can be stopped at all, in thousands or millions of those universes, a PC party very similar to our heroes destined to put a stop to the madness exists.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3774796, member: 4937"] Heh. It's a good bluff, but if my explanation of events is correct, then the evil villain has made a big miscalculation. At some future point, the villain went back and launched the adventuring careers of a PC party. He now reasons that the PC's can't kill him, because then he won't be able to return to start the parties careers. Where he is mistaken is that he's now no longer in the timeline he originally left. He's not in his own past. So nothing he does now in this past will prevent his future self from a different future coming to this past and createing this PC party. Even if he remembers a PC party not killing him, this PC party could still kill him and all that would happen is that this version of himself wouldn't create the PC party in a different universe. No causality loop is actually taking place. It just appears to be a causality loop to the time traveller because the parallel universes he is entering are so similar as to be indistinguishable. It's concievable that Krouto may initially believe something like this, but if the explanation I've given is adopted, he would be wrong. Here is the actual timeline: A) 'Krouto A' is created in a universe where warforged are invented by an Alakari empire. Krouto doesn't know how warforged came to be, as the secret is lost in the distant past. B) Krouto time travels into the past of a different universe (universe B), and becomes the inspiration for warforged in that universe's Alakari empire. Otherwise this universe is very similar to Krouto's original universe, so in time Krouto B is created. C) Krouto B meets Krouto A. Krouto A mistakes Krouto B for his past self because of the great similarities between the two universes, and tells Krouto A that he is his future self. D) Krouto A time travels into the past believing that he is predestined to do so. He is now in universe C, where events B, C and D repeat (notably the OP gives a big clue that they don't repeat exactly). Each new Krouto is pushed over into the adjoining universe by the repeated time travel, but each believes that they have travelled into thier own past. E) Krouto X is killed before travelling to the past. Since it is Krouto A from the root universe of these knowledge that initiated the invention of the Warforged, mysteriously (from the perspective of some that understands time less well than a Time Lord), nothing immediately happens. Krouto V has already arrived in the past of this universe, with the Pyschosis and with the knowledge that will allow the invention of warforged in this universe. Preventing Krouto X from going back into the past doesn't change that. However, the chain is broken and many many universes that might otherwise have been infected are saved. However, the Psychosis, already having arrived through the agency of Krouto V still must be stopped in this universe and all the universes which it has previously spread to. That's sort of the idea. I figure that the root universe is not unique, and that thousands or millions of variants of Krouto A have initiated this chain of events of hopping around in many universes in paralllel. (Hense, literally billions of universes have been effected.) Likewise if the Psychosis can be stopped at all, in thousands or millions of those universes, a PC party very similar to our heroes destined to put a stop to the madness exists. [/QUOTE]
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