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<blockquote data-quote="swrushing" data-source="post: 2418001" data-attributes="member: 14140"><p></p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><p>It means the challenges presented and challenges accapted might not be identical to the ones applied in a gam,e where insta-healing was available.</p><p></p><p>A party of four 10th level DND guys loaded with magic items and loaded with quick and powerful healing magics will be "challenged" combat-wise by a different set of foes than a set of four 10th level TW guys who have slow, after-fight healing and potentially fewer magic items.</p><p></p><p>Ok, first you start before the die rolls are failed... you start before it even gets to the characters when the GM chooses the challenges appropriate for the adventurers. Is the pair of guards going to be comprised of characters as good as the PCs or are they basic lackeys? In DND, hey, the answer might be "close to the level but not as well equipped" while in TW maybe the formula changes and they are several levels lower but still pose a threat, but not the slaughter you seem to be expecting.</p><p></p><p>No, but they might be playing characters who don't as readily accept a "fair fight" toe-to-toe slugfest as quickly as magic laden insta-cured DND guys do. </p><p></p><p>More to the point, when attacks get more dangerous, the advantage of surprise attacks gets even stronger and the smart parties do all they can to get that advantage in. in DND, surprise rounds don't matter a whole lot since it will take multiple rounds to drop people.</p><p></p><p>I have run a number of games where there wasn't insta-heal available, and it doesn't necessarily translate into PC body count as you seem to be believing it will. PC body count is more an element of the challenges chosen byb the Gm and choices made by the players.</p><p></p><p>Note that, IIRC, Black company also has no insta-heal and uses similar "cure spells convert hit points to non-lethal" and i know from experience with it that PCs bodies are not stacking up like cordwood. </p><p></p><p>It certainly CAN be the case that this COULD happen in a game, one where the GM threw challenges at the party that overwhelmed them, but that same thing CAN happen in DND even with the curing. </p><p></p><p>lets put it this way, if the GM sets up TW games to run like DND games, with similar combat oriented, face-to-face chellenges and similar one-after-another combats and the players approach it with the same DND hack-em-all-down frontal assault mindset... in TW... then there will likely be a PC attrition rate thats noticeably higher.</p><p></p><p>Then again, if they run TW style encounters, TW style challenges, and use TW style approaches to problems... nah, not so much.</p><p></p><p>Could say the same thing about BC.</p><p></p><p>So, in summary, really, its true, the sky is not falling.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="swrushing, post: 2418001, member: 14140"] [/QUOTE] It means the challenges presented and challenges accapted might not be identical to the ones applied in a gam,e where insta-healing was available. A party of four 10th level DND guys loaded with magic items and loaded with quick and powerful healing magics will be "challenged" combat-wise by a different set of foes than a set of four 10th level TW guys who have slow, after-fight healing and potentially fewer magic items. Ok, first you start before the die rolls are failed... you start before it even gets to the characters when the GM chooses the challenges appropriate for the adventurers. Is the pair of guards going to be comprised of characters as good as the PCs or are they basic lackeys? In DND, hey, the answer might be "close to the level but not as well equipped" while in TW maybe the formula changes and they are several levels lower but still pose a threat, but not the slaughter you seem to be expecting. No, but they might be playing characters who don't as readily accept a "fair fight" toe-to-toe slugfest as quickly as magic laden insta-cured DND guys do. More to the point, when attacks get more dangerous, the advantage of surprise attacks gets even stronger and the smart parties do all they can to get that advantage in. in DND, surprise rounds don't matter a whole lot since it will take multiple rounds to drop people. I have run a number of games where there wasn't insta-heal available, and it doesn't necessarily translate into PC body count as you seem to be believing it will. PC body count is more an element of the challenges chosen byb the Gm and choices made by the players. Note that, IIRC, Black company also has no insta-heal and uses similar "cure spells convert hit points to non-lethal" and i know from experience with it that PCs bodies are not stacking up like cordwood. It certainly CAN be the case that this COULD happen in a game, one where the GM threw challenges at the party that overwhelmed them, but that same thing CAN happen in DND even with the curing. lets put it this way, if the GM sets up TW games to run like DND games, with similar combat oriented, face-to-face chellenges and similar one-after-another combats and the players approach it with the same DND hack-em-all-down frontal assault mindset... in TW... then there will likely be a PC attrition rate thats noticeably higher. Then again, if they run TW style encounters, TW style challenges, and use TW style approaches to problems... nah, not so much. Could say the same thing about BC. So, in summary, really, its true, the sky is not falling. [/QUOTE]
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