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Thinking of returning to AD&D 2nd ed... Advice needed.
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<blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 5314407" data-attributes="member: 8863"><p>That's why I pointed out Skills & Powers, its chapter on kits presents them for multiple classes, plus if you're using the NWP system in the book, NWPs that are parts of your kit cost one less CP to take, which adds another good benefit to using them. One of my late 2e projects was to take all the kits in the splats and stuff and set them up for use with PO. That got dropped with my compiled PO NWP list when I switched to 3e though.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yet, there was a good deal of complaint in the Forum in Dragon back in the 2e days about balance, and I suspect there were online discussions as well. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I did say that ToM is practically core anyway, since a lot of people seemed to have it and it was frequently referenced. Also, it stayed in print over much of 2e's life, so it was probably in demand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>PO wasn't that bad, but running it straight from the book isn't necessarily a good idea. It was presented as a collection of options anyway, so picking and choosing isn't bad. The DM does need to tweak things, particularly in Skills and Powers, if you want to it work well. </p><p></p><p>If Imperialus wants to use PO, I have one thing to say: <strong>DON'T USE SUBABILITIES</strong>. Thanael can say what he wants about balance being new school, but subabilities are so broken that they can be horribly abused, and there was a lot said in Dragon about this. The worst case is the ugly Muscle/Stamina subs for Str where a character with a 17 Str can pump Muscle to 19 giving a huge bonus to hit and damage by skipping the entire Exceptional Str section on the tables all while lowering encumbrance a little. Dex and Int are pretty bad too IIRC, but Str is by far the worst offender.</p><p></p><p>Custom building character races and classes isn't too bad, but the DM needs to make sure there are limits in place so the system works well. There's a lot of abuse potential in using CPs, and I suspect they're flaws that weren't really intended.</p><p></p><p>There are some good things to be had in PO though. The proficiency system is better than the original. The new caster classes in S&M are pretty good. The psionics rules are easier to use. Probably if I went back to 2e, I'd continue using the PO NWP rules, and tinker with the CP system to make it more like a proto-3e. In particular, I'd use PO weapon proficiencies similar to feats.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Orius, post: 5314407, member: 8863"] That's why I pointed out Skills & Powers, its chapter on kits presents them for multiple classes, plus if you're using the NWP system in the book, NWPs that are parts of your kit cost one less CP to take, which adds another good benefit to using them. One of my late 2e projects was to take all the kits in the splats and stuff and set them up for use with PO. That got dropped with my compiled PO NWP list when I switched to 3e though. Yet, there was a good deal of complaint in the Forum in Dragon back in the 2e days about balance, and I suspect there were online discussions as well. I did say that ToM is practically core anyway, since a lot of people seemed to have it and it was frequently referenced. Also, it stayed in print over much of 2e's life, so it was probably in demand. PO wasn't that bad, but running it straight from the book isn't necessarily a good idea. It was presented as a collection of options anyway, so picking and choosing isn't bad. The DM does need to tweak things, particularly in Skills and Powers, if you want to it work well. If Imperialus wants to use PO, I have one thing to say: [b]DON'T USE SUBABILITIES[/b]. Thanael can say what he wants about balance being new school, but subabilities are so broken that they can be horribly abused, and there was a lot said in Dragon about this. The worst case is the ugly Muscle/Stamina subs for Str where a character with a 17 Str can pump Muscle to 19 giving a huge bonus to hit and damage by skipping the entire Exceptional Str section on the tables all while lowering encumbrance a little. Dex and Int are pretty bad too IIRC, but Str is by far the worst offender. Custom building character races and classes isn't too bad, but the DM needs to make sure there are limits in place so the system works well. There's a lot of abuse potential in using CPs, and I suspect they're flaws that weren't really intended. There are some good things to be had in PO though. The proficiency system is better than the original. The new caster classes in S&M are pretty good. The psionics rules are easier to use. Probably if I went back to 2e, I'd continue using the PO NWP rules, and tinker with the CP system to make it more like a proto-3e. In particular, I'd use PO weapon proficiencies similar to feats. [/QUOTE]
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