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<blockquote data-quote="VariSami" data-source="post: 6138991" data-attributes="member: 6698543"><p>Really, a DM that thinks he cannot control his players' choices because of arbitrarily agreeing on allowing them to do things that turned out to be broken? The fact that it turned out to be a mistake should be enough to persuade you to think it over. Of course, if you really think that the players have a right to those characters, you can easily challenge them at those levels. It's not like you have a Pun-Pun or Omniscificer in your hands. Nor overpowered level 20+ characters.</p><p></p><p>Also, I checked the Tenken at D&Dwiki. It doesn't seem broken at all. I might be missing something but mostly it seems like a samurai-inspired fighter with monk style mechanics. High AC? A sword and shield fighter in full plate can easily reach 21 AC without using any feats - at level 1.</p><p></p><p>Really, I think you are probably overreacting. Even the Gestalt Artificer went with fighter. Artificer might be the most broken class of all (ok, Erudite might come close) but he still went with a martial secondary class from Tier 5. Relax. Although they might seem strong, they are still easily challengable as long as you don't cater exclusively to their strong points. A high AC can be bypassed easily and should be done at least sometimes because that's a part of the gaming experience as a whole.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VariSami, post: 6138991, member: 6698543"] Really, a DM that thinks he cannot control his players' choices because of arbitrarily agreeing on allowing them to do things that turned out to be broken? The fact that it turned out to be a mistake should be enough to persuade you to think it over. Of course, if you really think that the players have a right to those characters, you can easily challenge them at those levels. It's not like you have a Pun-Pun or Omniscificer in your hands. Nor overpowered level 20+ characters. Also, I checked the Tenken at D&Dwiki. It doesn't seem broken at all. I might be missing something but mostly it seems like a samurai-inspired fighter with monk style mechanics. High AC? A sword and shield fighter in full plate can easily reach 21 AC without using any feats - at level 1. Really, I think you are probably overreacting. Even the Gestalt Artificer went with fighter. Artificer might be the most broken class of all (ok, Erudite might come close) but he still went with a martial secondary class from Tier 5. Relax. Although they might seem strong, they are still easily challengable as long as you don't cater exclusively to their strong points. A high AC can be bypassed easily and should be done at least sometimes because that's a part of the gaming experience as a whole. [/QUOTE]
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