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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6865460" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>Such as? </p><p>I think I remember Alfred making a joke. But that could have been Jeremy Irons delivering a line written serious with some humour.</p><p></p><p>And the only people to smile other than Luthor were Wayne (while pretending to be drunk) and Wonder Woman. The rest of the time it was just grim seriousness. </p><p></p><p></p><p>But you can compare 2-3 episodes to a movie. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The Nolan movies had moments of triumph. Even the darkest, like <em>The Dark Knight Rises</em> had moments like the return of Batman and the two cops' reaction. The doctor interacting with Wayne. And Lucius Fox being all, well, Morgan Freemany. </p><p></p><p></p><p>The best way to make a movie serious isn't to remove the joy and fun. Just like the best way to make a movie adult isn't to make it inappropriate for children. A bloody, violent, and foul mouthed film can be incredibly juvenile. There's a time for serious superhero films. <em>Watchmen</em> was a good example, as it managed to retain the questions and themes of the source comic. The complexity. </p><p>And if a filmmaker can't manage themes and subtext, they need to admit they're not "adult", drop the faux seriousness and grimmness, and add some joy. Some triumph. Some celebration. And make a movie people <em>want</em> to go see. </p><p>Also, people go to superhero movies for dump action flick light entertainment. They go to serious dramatic Oscar-worthy pictures for drama. Packaging a popcorn flick as serious drama and pretending superheroes are more than dumb action is disingenuous. Pretentious even. Unless you're making a genre or superhero film that is actually Oscar worthy (<em>The Dark Knight</em>) you can't get away with that. It'd be like going to an uber-serious Terminator film (going with T2+, which were action movies, unlike T1 which was more horror).</p><p></p><p>People wanted to go see <em>Batman v Superman</em> because it was Batman fighting Superman. But <em>Suicide Squad</em> doesn't have that same impetus. It needs to sell itself more. A little like <em>Guardians of the Galaxy</em>, which had to justify it's existence. It can't get away with the same pretentious taking itself super serious that the Nolan Batfilms can, or even BvS. Because it needs to cast a broader net, get more views, and potentially even get kids in. </p><p>Kids are a big factor. I totally took my 5yo son to see Episode VII and he's going to Civil War. But there's no way in eff I'm taking him to Batman v Superman. He'd be bored and squirming and un-fun after 10 minutes. He's going to be 10+ before he sees that. And if I can't take my son, my wife and I are less likely to go to a movie, since sitters are expensive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 6865460, member: 37579"] Such as? I think I remember Alfred making a joke. But that could have been Jeremy Irons delivering a line written serious with some humour. And the only people to smile other than Luthor were Wayne (while pretending to be drunk) and Wonder Woman. The rest of the time it was just grim seriousness. But you can compare 2-3 episodes to a movie. The Nolan movies had moments of triumph. Even the darkest, like [I]The Dark Knight Rises[/I] had moments like the return of Batman and the two cops' reaction. The doctor interacting with Wayne. And Lucius Fox being all, well, Morgan Freemany. The best way to make a movie serious isn't to remove the joy and fun. Just like the best way to make a movie adult isn't to make it inappropriate for children. A bloody, violent, and foul mouthed film can be incredibly juvenile. There's a time for serious superhero films. [I]Watchmen[/I] was a good example, as it managed to retain the questions and themes of the source comic. The complexity. And if a filmmaker can't manage themes and subtext, they need to admit they're not "adult", drop the faux seriousness and grimmness, and add some joy. Some triumph. Some celebration. And make a movie people [I]want[/I] to go see. Also, people go to superhero movies for dump action flick light entertainment. They go to serious dramatic Oscar-worthy pictures for drama. Packaging a popcorn flick as serious drama and pretending superheroes are more than dumb action is disingenuous. Pretentious even. Unless you're making a genre or superhero film that is actually Oscar worthy ([I]The Dark Knight[/I]) you can't get away with that. It'd be like going to an uber-serious Terminator film (going with T2+, which were action movies, unlike T1 which was more horror). People wanted to go see [I]Batman v Superman[/I] because it was Batman fighting Superman. But [I]Suicide Squad[/I] doesn't have that same impetus. It needs to sell itself more. A little like [I]Guardians of the Galaxy[/I], which had to justify it's existence. It can't get away with the same pretentious taking itself super serious that the Nolan Batfilms can, or even BvS. Because it needs to cast a broader net, get more views, and potentially even get kids in. Kids are a big factor. I totally took my 5yo son to see Episode VII and he's going to Civil War. But there's no way in eff I'm taking him to Batman v Superman. He'd be bored and squirming and un-fun after 10 minutes. He's going to be 10+ before he sees that. And if I can't take my son, my wife and I are less likely to go to a movie, since sitters are expensive. [/QUOTE]
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