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<blockquote data-quote="Tessarael" data-source="post: 8958477" data-attributes="member: 12909"><p>One other interesting thing that I just realized helps with Eldritch Scythe for Pact of the Chain:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Pact of the Chain:</strong> "[..] <em>Additionally, <strong>when you use Eldritch Scythe, you can choose to deliver the attack through your familiar</strong> as though you had cast a spell with a range of Touch</em>."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Frog Fangs invocation: "</strong><em>Your familiar can take the Attack action. Attacks made by or delivered through your familiar use your spell attack bonus and <strong>deal additional force damage equal to your proficiency bonus</strong>."</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong>Agonizing Blast invocation:</strong> "<em><strong>When you use your Eldritch Blast, you deal extra damage equal to your spellcasting ability modifier</strong></em>."</li> </ul><p>So if I'm reading this correctly, taking Pact of the Chain, Frog Fangs, and Agonizing Blast invocations, I can use Eldritch Scythe through my familiar and get bonus damage of spellcasting ability modifier + proficiency bonus.</p><p></p><p>So Pact of the Chain makes Eldritch Scythe more effective when delivered through your familiar, if you take Frog Fangs. At 5th level with proficiency bonus +4 and spellcasting ability modifier +3, you're dealing two attacks at +6 to hit, and damage of 2x (d10 + 4 ability modifier + 3 proficiency bonus + d6 Hex) x 0.6 chance-to-hit = 19.2 average damage and 9.6 damage to a secondary target within 5' of the familiar, or without Hex the average is 15.0 and 7.5 damage to a secondary target within 5' of the familiar. That's quite good.</p><p></p><p>It is better compared to Pact of the Blade and Eldritch Scythe. At 5th level with proficiency bonus +4 and spellcasting ability modifier +3 and +1 weapon, you're dealing two attacks at +7 to hit, and damage of 2x (d10 + 4 ability modifier + 1 magic item + d6 Hex) x 0.65 chance-to-hit = 18.2 average damage and 9.1 damage to a secondary target within 5' of you, or without Hex the average is 13.6 and 6.8 damage to a secondary target within 5' of you.</p><p></p><p>Against a single target, it is still beaten by the +1 two-handed pact weapon. Along the line of WanderingMystic's calculation, the two-handed maul or greatsword attacks at +7 to hit and does 2x (2d6 + 4 ability modifier +4 Thirsting Blade + 1 magic item + d6 Hex) x 0.65 = 25.4 average damage, or 20.8 average if you exclude Hex.</p><p></p><p>Makes me think that Eldritch Scythe is worth taking along with Pact of the Chain, when you get a chance. Now you just want a familiar that has 10' reach. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tessarael, post: 8958477, member: 12909"] One other interesting thing that I just realized helps with Eldritch Scythe for Pact of the Chain: [LIST] [*][B]Pact of the Chain:[/B] "[..] [I]Additionally, [B]when you use Eldritch Scythe, you can choose to deliver the attack through your familiar[/B] as though you had cast a spell with a range of Touch[/I]." [*][B]Frog Fangs invocation: "[/B][I]Your familiar can take the Attack action. Attacks made by or delivered through your familiar use your spell attack bonus and [B]deal additional force damage equal to your proficiency bonus[/B]."[/I] [*][B]Agonizing Blast invocation:[/B] "[I][B]When you use your Eldritch Blast, you deal extra damage equal to your spellcasting ability modifier[/B][/I]." [/LIST] So if I'm reading this correctly, taking Pact of the Chain, Frog Fangs, and Agonizing Blast invocations, I can use Eldritch Scythe through my familiar and get bonus damage of spellcasting ability modifier + proficiency bonus. So Pact of the Chain makes Eldritch Scythe more effective when delivered through your familiar, if you take Frog Fangs. At 5th level with proficiency bonus +4 and spellcasting ability modifier +3, you're dealing two attacks at +6 to hit, and damage of 2x (d10 + 4 ability modifier + 3 proficiency bonus + d6 Hex) x 0.6 chance-to-hit = 19.2 average damage and 9.6 damage to a secondary target within 5' of the familiar, or without Hex the average is 15.0 and 7.5 damage to a secondary target within 5' of the familiar. That's quite good. It is better compared to Pact of the Blade and Eldritch Scythe. At 5th level with proficiency bonus +4 and spellcasting ability modifier +3 and +1 weapon, you're dealing two attacks at +7 to hit, and damage of 2x (d10 + 4 ability modifier + 1 magic item + d6 Hex) x 0.65 chance-to-hit = 18.2 average damage and 9.1 damage to a secondary target within 5' of you, or without Hex the average is 13.6 and 6.8 damage to a secondary target within 5' of you. Against a single target, it is still beaten by the +1 two-handed pact weapon. Along the line of WanderingMystic's calculation, the two-handed maul or greatsword attacks at +7 to hit and does 2x (2d6 + 4 ability modifier +4 Thirsting Blade + 1 magic item + d6 Hex) x 0.65 = 25.4 average damage, or 20.8 average if you exclude Hex. Makes me think that Eldritch Scythe is worth taking along with Pact of the Chain, when you get a chance. Now you just want a familiar that has 10' reach. :) [/QUOTE]
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