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<blockquote data-quote="El Jefe" data-source="post: 2398072" data-attributes="member: 19990"><p><strong>Discussion - (Adventure) To Delmon’s Aid (Creamsteak Judging)</strong></p><p></p><p>The only thing that was a problem for me here was the description of Delmon's Tower. From the outside, it was described as 4 stories and 60 feet tall. (The bottom floor was described as being 80 feet in diameter, and the accompanying maps of the upper floors indicated 80 by 80 foot floors, so that would be a very <strong>squat</strong> tower, but that's not my beef.)</p><p></p><p>However, from the inside, 5 distinct levels are described (main hall, "dining room" or "guest room", living room (with automatons), living room (without automatons), and bedroom. How to reconcile this?</p><p></p><p>The cheesey way out is to just describe the place as "magical', with more volume on the inside than on the outside, like a bag of holding or something. However, Delmon is only 8th level (as determined by the properties of some <em>Phantom Steeds</em> he conjured up for the party), so either he inherited the tower from someone else, or else it's his masterwork. I'd prefer a better explanation.</p><p></p><p>Another might be that the Tower simply looks like it has fewer stories on the outside than on the inside. That's not unheard of in architecture. For example, the US White House looks like it only has 2 stories from some angles, but inside it clearly has 3. Likewise, Thomas Jefferson's home Monticello looks like it is a single story building, but any visitor can ascertain that it has two.</p><p></p><p>Another explanation might be that Uriel simply made a continuity error and added a superfluous living room. That seems to be the most plausible explanation to me, since he placed a dead crow in the 3rd floor living room with the automatons, then placed a dead crow (which the party examined) in the 4th floor living room. From the storyline, it's obvious that this is Delmon's crow familiar, and that there is only one crow.</p><p></p><p>Another explanation might be that the "5th" floor bedroom is only a loft, since the 4th floor living room is described as having an opening on an inside wall 20 feet up from the floor. 80-foor diameter or 80-foot square rooms are pretty huge for a private residence, even a wizard's castle, so it wouldn't surprise me if some of the upstairs living space is divided. I guess you might question what is under that "bedroom" at the "4th floor level", but hey, even a wizard's got to have a closet or store room, right?</p><p></p><p>Finally, I was curious to see if it was possible to fit 5 stories into 60 feet. It is, although the design is strange. From the description of the tower in the thread, here's what I have:</p><p></p><p>There are stairs leading up 11 feet from the ground to the iron door of the first level. From there, stairs lead up 12 feet to the second (dining room or guest room) level. The lowest windows are 25 feet from the ground. If the first level is that high, nothing fits, so I'm assuming that the first level is windowless and the lowest windows light the dining room. Windowsills more than 2 feet high make little sense in a dwarf's home, so I'm going with the 2nd floor being 23 feet off the ground. The stairs between the first and second floor are described as being 12 feet high, so subtracting tells me the outside stairs to the first floor are 11 feet high.</p><p></p><p>Now, the 4th floor has an opening 1 foot high, and 20 feet off the floor. If the whole thing is 60 feet tall and the opening is right up against the ceiling, that means the 4th floor has at least a 21-foot ceiling, and thus the floor must be no higher than 39 feet off the ground. That's 16 feet higher than the 2nd floor, so if you split the difference, the 3rd flloor would be 8 feet above the 2nd floor, or at the 31-foot level. Now, if the floors/ceilings are about 1 foot thick, that would mean the 2nd and 3rd levels have 7-foot ceilings. That's just a tad short for humans (most human houses have ceilings at about 7'6"), but just about right -- even spacious -- for a dwarf. We know the bedroom floor is 8 feet below the "window" to the 4th floor, so it has a 9-foot ceiling and is at the 51-foot level. To summarize:</p><p></p><p>1st floor - Great Hall -- 11 feet from the ground</p><p>2nd floor - Dining Room -- 23 feet from the ground</p><p>3rd floor - Living Room 1 -- 31 feet from the ground</p><p>4th floor - Living Room 2 -- 39 feet from the ground</p><p>5th floor - Loft Bedroom -- 51 feet from the ground</p><p>Roof -- 60 feet from the ground.</p><p></p><p>Weird, but possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Jefe, post: 2398072, member: 19990"] [b]Discussion - (Adventure) To Delmon’s Aid (Creamsteak Judging)[/b] The only thing that was a problem for me here was the description of Delmon's Tower. From the outside, it was described as 4 stories and 60 feet tall. (The bottom floor was described as being 80 feet in diameter, and the accompanying maps of the upper floors indicated 80 by 80 foot floors, so that would be a very [B]squat[/B] tower, but that's not my beef.) However, from the inside, 5 distinct levels are described (main hall, "dining room" or "guest room", living room (with automatons), living room (without automatons), and bedroom. How to reconcile this? The cheesey way out is to just describe the place as "magical', with more volume on the inside than on the outside, like a bag of holding or something. However, Delmon is only 8th level (as determined by the properties of some [I]Phantom Steeds[/I] he conjured up for the party), so either he inherited the tower from someone else, or else it's his masterwork. I'd prefer a better explanation. Another might be that the Tower simply looks like it has fewer stories on the outside than on the inside. That's not unheard of in architecture. For example, the US White House looks like it only has 2 stories from some angles, but inside it clearly has 3. Likewise, Thomas Jefferson's home Monticello looks like it is a single story building, but any visitor can ascertain that it has two. Another explanation might be that Uriel simply made a continuity error and added a superfluous living room. That seems to be the most plausible explanation to me, since he placed a dead crow in the 3rd floor living room with the automatons, then placed a dead crow (which the party examined) in the 4th floor living room. From the storyline, it's obvious that this is Delmon's crow familiar, and that there is only one crow. Another explanation might be that the "5th" floor bedroom is only a loft, since the 4th floor living room is described as having an opening on an inside wall 20 feet up from the floor. 80-foor diameter or 80-foot square rooms are pretty huge for a private residence, even a wizard's castle, so it wouldn't surprise me if some of the upstairs living space is divided. I guess you might question what is under that "bedroom" at the "4th floor level", but hey, even a wizard's got to have a closet or store room, right? Finally, I was curious to see if it was possible to fit 5 stories into 60 feet. It is, although the design is strange. From the description of the tower in the thread, here's what I have: There are stairs leading up 11 feet from the ground to the iron door of the first level. From there, stairs lead up 12 feet to the second (dining room or guest room) level. The lowest windows are 25 feet from the ground. If the first level is that high, nothing fits, so I'm assuming that the first level is windowless and the lowest windows light the dining room. Windowsills more than 2 feet high make little sense in a dwarf's home, so I'm going with the 2nd floor being 23 feet off the ground. The stairs between the first and second floor are described as being 12 feet high, so subtracting tells me the outside stairs to the first floor are 11 feet high. Now, the 4th floor has an opening 1 foot high, and 20 feet off the floor. If the whole thing is 60 feet tall and the opening is right up against the ceiling, that means the 4th floor has at least a 21-foot ceiling, and thus the floor must be no higher than 39 feet off the ground. That's 16 feet higher than the 2nd floor, so if you split the difference, the 3rd flloor would be 8 feet above the 2nd floor, or at the 31-foot level. Now, if the floors/ceilings are about 1 foot thick, that would mean the 2nd and 3rd levels have 7-foot ceilings. That's just a tad short for humans (most human houses have ceilings at about 7'6"), but just about right -- even spacious -- for a dwarf. We know the bedroom floor is 8 feet below the "window" to the 4th floor, so it has a 9-foot ceiling and is at the 51-foot level. To summarize: 1st floor - Great Hall -- 11 feet from the ground 2nd floor - Dining Room -- 23 feet from the ground 3rd floor - Living Room 1 -- 31 feet from the ground 4th floor - Living Room 2 -- 39 feet from the ground 5th floor - Loft Bedroom -- 51 feet from the ground Roof -- 60 feet from the ground. Weird, but possible. [/QUOTE]
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