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<blockquote data-quote="El Jefe" data-source="post: 2459482" data-attributes="member: 19990"><p><strong>Discussion - (Announcement) Help me organize all of the LEW world information!</strong></p><p></p><p>There's quite a bit to talk about here. Let's dive in.</p><p></p><p>The first thing is probably more of a problem for one of my characters than for anyone else. I always pictured Oirhandir as being from "across the ocean to the west". We've never really populated that area of the map, so far as I can tell. But if I look at the elemental towers and their surroundings, it's troubling. To the northwest, we have the Tower of Water, and I imagine it's environs as a great polar sea, with icebergs floating all around. I don't know what the "edge" of the EnWorld disc is like. I could imagine a great waterfall in that area, with ice floes and the occasional ship going over the edge and going SPLAT! on the enworphant's back or on some other plane of existance. I suppose the water would have to be replentished from somewhere, so maybe great icy waterfalls would cascade down the sides of the Tower of Water to spill into the sea.</p><p></p><p>The Tower of Air is even worse. I envision this as a broken off piece of the Hexagon with no way to get to the tower without flying or teleporting or something. Worse for my purposes, there is no "land" or "region" around the Tower that resembles the Terra Firma of the rest of the map. I want my elf's background to be exotic, but not <em>that</em> exotic.</p><p></p><p>I recall from another thread somewhere (haven't got to it yet in this review) that the EnWorld disc is some 25,000 miles across. If Orussus is dead smack in the middle of it, that means that the far edge is some 12,500 miles away. The Great Ocean (and shouldn't it have a name, besides just the Great Ocean?) of which Orussus is a port is obviously big, but 12,000 miles big? I like to think that either the Tower of Water is in a <em>different</em> ocean, or that the Great Ocean extends to the northwest but not due west. That gives me a western shore maybe 3,000 to 8,000 miles away, with plenty of room for Oirhandir's ancestral homeland. That gives us plenty of room for the archipelago of Hawaiki (see below) somewhere in the middle of the Great Ocean, and several thousand miles of land on the other side between the western shore and the western edge of the world disc.</p><p></p><p>I don't recall from memory that the layout of the passes through the Northern mountains matches Kahuna Burger's description (I had Big/Little pass located further west than she does). Aside from that, her description of the lands around Earling works.</p><p></p><p>Once again, scale rears it's ugly head. Based on SRD movement rates, Tharol as described is somewhere around 400 to 700 miles from Orussus. If the disc is 25,000 miles across, that would be nowhere near the Tower of Earth or any conceivable "Earth Tower Region". I suppose it comes down to just what we want the scale of EnWorld to be. I don't have a problem with the region a few hundred miles northeast of Orussus being somewhat similar to the region around the Tower of Earth, if that helps the world to come together.</p><p></p><p>I couldn't help but notice that Rivenblight is much, much larger than Orussus...to the extent that once characters get to a high enough level that they can't find what they want in Orussus due to city gp restriction, they should be able to find it in Rivenblight. Very few magic items short of minor artifacts are sufficiently pricey to dominate such a large market.</p><p></p><p>I would also think that as far as trade goes, Rivenblight ought to be the dog that is wagging the Orussus tail. You don't get that feel from hanging out in the Red Dragon Inn, do you?</p><p></p><p>I noticed that we have several locations (County of Lionel, Barony of Owir, et al.) that aren't really well placed on the map. Someone could do that if they feel ambitious, there is a <em>lot</em> of room if we scale EnWorld large enough.</p><p></p><p>Or, maybe I spoke too soon. Specifically, the County of Lionel and the Barony of Owir are far to the north, along with Kree Territory and Thelis. I don't recall them on the northern map, though, and if I'm right that means we still have to place them somewhere.</p><p></p><p>My next problem is Fallon. It's mentioned as being on a sea, but I just don't remember that from looking at the overall map. If anything, Fallon is near a lake...could that do double duty as a "sea"? My other comment on Fallon is the level of some of the influential NPC's...it's as high as 18! I don't know if that needs trimmed to be consistent with Creamsteak's concept of not having world-shaking NPCs of player character races, but it sure is something to think about. Maybe "traveling to Fallon" might replace traveling to the positive energy tower, at least for parties with a character or two to ressurect.</p><p></p><p>Ignussus seems to work well and fit in, although you have the near-the-edge-of-the-disc thing and scale to worry about. I haven't read through Heroes of Vesper Peaks yet, and will comment if there's a problem.</p><p></p><p>Since we already have Allimon on the map that appears at the beginning of every Red Dragon Inn thread, I don't think we need to worry about how it was described in two different locations in the same post!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="El Jefe, post: 2459482, member: 19990"] [b]Discussion - (Announcement) Help me organize all of the LEW world information![/b] There's quite a bit to talk about here. Let's dive in. The first thing is probably more of a problem for one of my characters than for anyone else. I always pictured Oirhandir as being from "across the ocean to the west". We've never really populated that area of the map, so far as I can tell. But if I look at the elemental towers and their surroundings, it's troubling. To the northwest, we have the Tower of Water, and I imagine it's environs as a great polar sea, with icebergs floating all around. I don't know what the "edge" of the EnWorld disc is like. I could imagine a great waterfall in that area, with ice floes and the occasional ship going over the edge and going SPLAT! on the enworphant's back or on some other plane of existance. I suppose the water would have to be replentished from somewhere, so maybe great icy waterfalls would cascade down the sides of the Tower of Water to spill into the sea. The Tower of Air is even worse. I envision this as a broken off piece of the Hexagon with no way to get to the tower without flying or teleporting or something. Worse for my purposes, there is no "land" or "region" around the Tower that resembles the Terra Firma of the rest of the map. I want my elf's background to be exotic, but not [I]that[/I] exotic. I recall from another thread somewhere (haven't got to it yet in this review) that the EnWorld disc is some 25,000 miles across. If Orussus is dead smack in the middle of it, that means that the far edge is some 12,500 miles away. The Great Ocean (and shouldn't it have a name, besides just the Great Ocean?) of which Orussus is a port is obviously big, but 12,000 miles big? I like to think that either the Tower of Water is in a [I]different[/I] ocean, or that the Great Ocean extends to the northwest but not due west. That gives me a western shore maybe 3,000 to 8,000 miles away, with plenty of room for Oirhandir's ancestral homeland. That gives us plenty of room for the archipelago of Hawaiki (see below) somewhere in the middle of the Great Ocean, and several thousand miles of land on the other side between the western shore and the western edge of the world disc. I don't recall from memory that the layout of the passes through the Northern mountains matches Kahuna Burger's description (I had Big/Little pass located further west than she does). Aside from that, her description of the lands around Earling works. Once again, scale rears it's ugly head. Based on SRD movement rates, Tharol as described is somewhere around 400 to 700 miles from Orussus. If the disc is 25,000 miles across, that would be nowhere near the Tower of Earth or any conceivable "Earth Tower Region". I suppose it comes down to just what we want the scale of EnWorld to be. I don't have a problem with the region a few hundred miles northeast of Orussus being somewhat similar to the region around the Tower of Earth, if that helps the world to come together. I couldn't help but notice that Rivenblight is much, much larger than Orussus...to the extent that once characters get to a high enough level that they can't find what they want in Orussus due to city gp restriction, they should be able to find it in Rivenblight. Very few magic items short of minor artifacts are sufficiently pricey to dominate such a large market. I would also think that as far as trade goes, Rivenblight ought to be the dog that is wagging the Orussus tail. You don't get that feel from hanging out in the Red Dragon Inn, do you? I noticed that we have several locations (County of Lionel, Barony of Owir, et al.) that aren't really well placed on the map. Someone could do that if they feel ambitious, there is a [I]lot[/I] of room if we scale EnWorld large enough. Or, maybe I spoke too soon. Specifically, the County of Lionel and the Barony of Owir are far to the north, along with Kree Territory and Thelis. I don't recall them on the northern map, though, and if I'm right that means we still have to place them somewhere. My next problem is Fallon. It's mentioned as being on a sea, but I just don't remember that from looking at the overall map. If anything, Fallon is near a lake...could that do double duty as a "sea"? My other comment on Fallon is the level of some of the influential NPC's...it's as high as 18! I don't know if that needs trimmed to be consistent with Creamsteak's concept of not having world-shaking NPCs of player character races, but it sure is something to think about. Maybe "traveling to Fallon" might replace traveling to the positive energy tower, at least for parties with a character or two to ressurect. Ignussus seems to work well and fit in, although you have the near-the-edge-of-the-disc thing and scale to worry about. I haven't read through Heroes of Vesper Peaks yet, and will comment if there's a problem. Since we already have Allimon on the map that appears at the beginning of every Red Dragon Inn thread, I don't think we need to worry about how it was described in two different locations in the same post! [/QUOTE]
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