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<blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5567143" data-attributes="member: 78116"><p>I actually disagree (but this is clearly going to end up as a discussion for another thread!), because to a monster there is no difference between 1 HP and 30 HP. A PC who is up and fighting is one that can be targeted and could target them. I would target a 1 HP PC - but I would not actively have a monster attack a PC who was unconscious. I would regard healing a PC to 1 HP with high damage lurkers around as tactical stupidity and take advantage of it accordingly. I wouldn't regard someone who gets knocked unconscious as a free for all. For the record, I also sometimes ignore PCs who are stunned and dominated too. If you can't act, then I am not going to pay you attention and will attack something else - unless there is good reason to attack the stunned PC (the parties bloodied leader for example).</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, a smart leader who delayed after the lurkers turns and ensured they couldn't attack before the PCs turn would reap the reward. Even so, 1 HP is an extremely dangerous situation to be on with lurkers in a combat and no way of spending surges until the end of said lurkers next turn.</p><p></p><p>To be honest on thinking about it, my problem is the smoke form power. If they could be targeted by attacks and had just concealment or something (or maybe a flat bonus to defenses, or picked up insubstantial - I dunno) I think it would be fine. It's the fact these creatures absolutely dictate the battlefield and level 2 PCs can do nothing about that is what makes them dangerous. At the same time, maybe just using 1 of them and never using more than that? The most abusive things I've thought of in this thread use them in pairs in some ways. Much like how Jackalwere bravos are only really broken by using the Deceiver in the same combat (and using the CdG rules).</p><p></p><p>Edit: Alternatively, they could have been paragon monsters. They feel in every single way like a monster that should be in paragon tier: Not heroic.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aegeri, post: 5567143, member: 78116"] I actually disagree (but this is clearly going to end up as a discussion for another thread!), because to a monster there is no difference between 1 HP and 30 HP. A PC who is up and fighting is one that can be targeted and could target them. I would target a 1 HP PC - but I would not actively have a monster attack a PC who was unconscious. I would regard healing a PC to 1 HP with high damage lurkers around as tactical stupidity and take advantage of it accordingly. I wouldn't regard someone who gets knocked unconscious as a free for all. For the record, I also sometimes ignore PCs who are stunned and dominated too. If you can't act, then I am not going to pay you attention and will attack something else - unless there is good reason to attack the stunned PC (the parties bloodied leader for example). On the other hand, a smart leader who delayed after the lurkers turns and ensured they couldn't attack before the PCs turn would reap the reward. Even so, 1 HP is an extremely dangerous situation to be on with lurkers in a combat and no way of spending surges until the end of said lurkers next turn. To be honest on thinking about it, my problem is the smoke form power. If they could be targeted by attacks and had just concealment or something (or maybe a flat bonus to defenses, or picked up insubstantial - I dunno) I think it would be fine. It's the fact these creatures absolutely dictate the battlefield and level 2 PCs can do nothing about that is what makes them dangerous. At the same time, maybe just using 1 of them and never using more than that? The most abusive things I've thought of in this thread use them in pairs in some ways. Much like how Jackalwere bravos are only really broken by using the Deceiver in the same combat (and using the CdG rules). Edit: Alternatively, they could have been paragon monsters. They feel in every single way like a monster that should be in paragon tier: Not heroic. [/QUOTE]
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