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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2467339" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Even if it were described as a racial bonus:</p><p></p><p><em><strong>Bonus Types:</strong> Many powers give creatures bonuses to ability scores, Armor Class, attacks, and other attributes. Each bonus has a type that indicates how the power grants the bonus. The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don’t generally stack. <strong>With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus works</strong>. The same principle applies to penalties - a character taking two or more penalties of the same type applies only the worst one.</em></p><p></p><p>Dodge bonuses stack, and racial bonuses stack.</p><p></p><p>However... I fear I must agree that there's a difference between 'your racial bonus' and 'a bonus equal to your racial bonus'.</p><p></p><p>Compare the Paladin's Divine Grace: <em>At 2nd level, a paladin gains a bonus equal to her Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws.</em></p><p></p><p>... with the Blackguard's Dark Blessing: <em>A blackguard applies his Charisma modifier (if positive) as a bonus on all saving throws.</em></p><p></p><p>The Paladin has an unnamed bonus that happens to have the same value as his Charisma bonus. Unless otherwise specified, it will stack with a 'Charisma bonus to saving throws'.</p><p></p><p>The Blackguard, on the other hand, has a 'Charisma bonus to saving throws'. He only has one Charisma bonus, so if he finds another source that lets him add his Charisma bonus to saving throws, it's too late - he's already doing it. He can't apply <em>the same bonus</em> twice to the same thing.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2467339, member: 1656"] Even if it were described as a racial bonus: [i][b]Bonus Types:[/b] Many powers give creatures bonuses to ability scores, Armor Class, attacks, and other attributes. Each bonus has a type that indicates how the power grants the bonus. The important aspect of bonus types is that two bonuses of the same type don’t generally stack. [b]With the exception of dodge bonuses, most circumstance bonuses, and racial bonuses, only the better bonus works[/b]. The same principle applies to penalties - a character taking two or more penalties of the same type applies only the worst one.[/i] Dodge bonuses stack, and racial bonuses stack. However... I fear I must agree that there's a difference between 'your racial bonus' and 'a bonus equal to your racial bonus'. Compare the Paladin's Divine Grace: [i]At 2nd level, a paladin gains a bonus equal to her Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws.[/i] ... with the Blackguard's Dark Blessing: [i]A blackguard applies his Charisma modifier (if positive) as a bonus on all saving throws.[/i] The Paladin has an unnamed bonus that happens to have the same value as his Charisma bonus. Unless otherwise specified, it will stack with a 'Charisma bonus to saving throws'. The Blackguard, on the other hand, has a 'Charisma bonus to saving throws'. He only has one Charisma bonus, so if he finds another source that lets him add his Charisma bonus to saving throws, it's too late - he's already doing it. He can't apply [i]the same bonus[/i] twice to the same thing. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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