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<blockquote data-quote="RangerWickett" data-source="post: 7556565" data-attributes="member: 63"><p>I'm running a game with four paladin PCs. Alignment stuff comes up surprisingly rarely, because I've striven not to overwhelm the players with moral dilemmas. It's easy to ride forth to defend innocents against clear villains who intend to conquer and slaughter. It's harder to make morality clear when you enter a city with a cruel government and help overthrow it, hoping you'll be reducing people's suffering, only to see the new leadership using extreme violence to stamp out the allies of the old. Did you just abet evil acts? Does it matter how orderly the executions are? A public trial with evidence, or an assassination in bed: both have the same outcome, but the former is harder to pull off, and gives the ne'er-do-well a chance to escape, yet is more morally acceptable.</p><p></p><p>Auryn did not act unilaterally. She got advice from allies, and considered whether it was feasible to rescue those women through legal pathways. She broke the law, but tried to do it in a way to minimize fall-out and keep from leading to retribution and more suffering. So she's good, but this act was 'chaotic.' Overall, though, is she trying to maintain Risur's system, or at least build a better system? I think yes. She's not simply doing whatever she thinks is right at the moment. She's trying to build something better where the rules protect everyone. I'd honestly peg her as lawful good, with the occasional chaotic act. </p><p></p><p>Killing the Traverses, though, wasn't a "good" act. It wasn't necessarily an "evil" act, either. There certainly could have been a way to capture those people and arrest them, even if it had to remain secret. Or to make a deal with someone in Danor to arrest them on some other valid charge, and in the meanwhile steal their wealth and discredit their names so they could not rebuild their slave-selling business. That would have been harder, though, and one could reasonably argue that Auryn and Carlyle don't have time to spare for that. But that would have been more of a "good" option.</p><p></p><p>An "evil" option would have been to torment them before killing them, and then to steal all their wealth and use it for oneself.</p><p></p><p>So yeah, what Auryn did is, I think, neutral.</p><p></p><p>As for Carlyle? I've never seen him pursue things for his own desires while ignoring the harm it causes others. But he certainly feels less motivated to <em>mitigate</em> harm than Auryn. I feel he's more Lawful Neutral, doing what society says is proper, having relatively few desires of his own.</p><p></p><p>If they ditched Aodhan, though, and stopped having anyone to second-guess or guide their paths, they might shift from Lawful Good and Lawful Neutral to Neutral Good and true Neutral.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RangerWickett, post: 7556565, member: 63"] I'm running a game with four paladin PCs. Alignment stuff comes up surprisingly rarely, because I've striven not to overwhelm the players with moral dilemmas. It's easy to ride forth to defend innocents against clear villains who intend to conquer and slaughter. It's harder to make morality clear when you enter a city with a cruel government and help overthrow it, hoping you'll be reducing people's suffering, only to see the new leadership using extreme violence to stamp out the allies of the old. Did you just abet evil acts? Does it matter how orderly the executions are? A public trial with evidence, or an assassination in bed: both have the same outcome, but the former is harder to pull off, and gives the ne'er-do-well a chance to escape, yet is more morally acceptable. Auryn did not act unilaterally. She got advice from allies, and considered whether it was feasible to rescue those women through legal pathways. She broke the law, but tried to do it in a way to minimize fall-out and keep from leading to retribution and more suffering. So she's good, but this act was 'chaotic.' Overall, though, is she trying to maintain Risur's system, or at least build a better system? I think yes. She's not simply doing whatever she thinks is right at the moment. She's trying to build something better where the rules protect everyone. I'd honestly peg her as lawful good, with the occasional chaotic act. Killing the Traverses, though, wasn't a "good" act. It wasn't necessarily an "evil" act, either. There certainly could have been a way to capture those people and arrest them, even if it had to remain secret. Or to make a deal with someone in Danor to arrest them on some other valid charge, and in the meanwhile steal their wealth and discredit their names so they could not rebuild their slave-selling business. That would have been harder, though, and one could reasonably argue that Auryn and Carlyle don't have time to spare for that. But that would have been more of a "good" option. An "evil" option would have been to torment them before killing them, and then to steal all their wealth and use it for oneself. So yeah, what Auryn did is, I think, neutral. As for Carlyle? I've never seen him pursue things for his own desires while ignoring the harm it causes others. But he certainly feels less motivated to [I]mitigate[/I] harm than Auryn. I feel he's more Lawful Neutral, doing what society says is proper, having relatively few desires of his own. If they ditched Aodhan, though, and stopped having anyone to second-guess or guide their paths, they might shift from Lawful Good and Lawful Neutral to Neutral Good and true Neutral. [/QUOTE]
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