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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3776964" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>So is 'casting a spell', but you don't see people trying to claim that you can use a standard action attack to cast a spell at the same time. Just because the spell is listed as taking a 'standard action' to cast does not mean you can just use any kind of standard action to cast a spell. Just as you can't cast a spell and manifest a psionic power and make a melee attack all with a single standard action; each one is a specific type of standard action of its own. Also, maneuvers are described as being similar to spells in their activation, with only a few key differences.</p><p></p><p></p><p>NO, they require that you make a melee attack as part of the strike; not a melee attack action. The section of the book that describes initiating maneuvers already says that they may involve making an attack as part of the action, but it does not say that the attack itself triggers the maneuver.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because it specifically mentions only working with Stone Dragon strikes and normal attack/full-attack actions. Why would it even specify that AT ALL, if any kind of melee attack triggered maneuvers? That would be just monumentally, stupidly <em>redundant </em> wording, and not something the designers would do by mistake.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As for your last point - Attacks of Opportunity. You don't use an 'attack action' to make an attack of opportunity.</p><p></p><p>You don't use an 'attack action' to deliver a Shocking Grasp spell when you cast it in the same round; the spell itself just lets you make a melee touch attack as part of casting the spell, but the actual action used is just the 'casting a spell' standard action.</p><p></p><p>You seem to be confusing 'attacks' in general with 'attack actions', as though any kind of attack uses up a standard action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 3776964, member: 13966"] So is 'casting a spell', but you don't see people trying to claim that you can use a standard action attack to cast a spell at the same time. Just because the spell is listed as taking a 'standard action' to cast does not mean you can just use any kind of standard action to cast a spell. Just as you can't cast a spell and manifest a psionic power and make a melee attack all with a single standard action; each one is a specific type of standard action of its own. Also, maneuvers are described as being similar to spells in their activation, with only a few key differences. NO, they require that you make a melee attack as part of the strike; not a melee attack action. The section of the book that describes initiating maneuvers already says that they may involve making an attack as part of the action, but it does not say that the attack itself triggers the maneuver. Because it specifically mentions only working with Stone Dragon strikes and normal attack/full-attack actions. Why would it even specify that AT ALL, if any kind of melee attack triggered maneuvers? That would be just monumentally, stupidly [I]redundant [/I] wording, and not something the designers would do by mistake. As for your last point - Attacks of Opportunity. You don't use an 'attack action' to make an attack of opportunity. You don't use an 'attack action' to deliver a Shocking Grasp spell when you cast it in the same round; the spell itself just lets you make a melee touch attack as part of casting the spell, but the actual action used is just the 'casting a spell' standard action. You seem to be confusing 'attacks' in general with 'attack actions', as though any kind of attack uses up a standard action. [/QUOTE]
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