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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3782067" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>OK, Hypersmurf convinced me that not all melee attacks are attack actions.</p><p></p><p>Given that, the Stone Power feat seems to go down in power a lot in my estimation. The Stone Dragon group of maneuvers seems to be the weakest of the bunch (and hence everyone has access to it). While there are certainly some maneuvers in that group worth selecting, any character that has a lot of readied maneuvers will likely not come across a stone dragon maneuver all that often (less than 50% of the time most likely). </p><p></p><p>So unlike Power Attack, which is often used for every attack you make if the opponent has a low AC, Stone Power won't be getting used nearly as often for characters with a lot of readied maneuvers (like Crusaders and Shadwblades), unless they want to not use maneuvers (which seems to defeat the purpose of choosing that class).</p><p></p><p>Warblades will use it more often, since they have fewer readied maneuvers, and their renewal method is a normal attack action which can utilize the feat. For example, a warblade starts with only three maneuvers until higher levels, and I can see that they would use a non-Stone maneuver in round one, a Stone Dragon maneuver like Stone Bones in round two, a non-Stone maneuver in round three, and then a normal attack action with Stone Power in round four to renew their maneuvers. 50% of the time they can use the feat (though it's a bit sub-optimal with that combination, since stone bones will already reduce the damage you take, but still there will be plenty of times it will be useful even with that combination). 50% utility is not that bad.</p><p></p><p>But for a Crusader like this City Watchman example? I am not so sure. At first level I can see having two-fifths of your maneuvers as Stone Dragon, but as you get higher in level I think it will likely move away from Stone Dragon selections as all those juicy Devoted and White Raven options become available.</p><p></p><p>So what do you guys think? Is Stone Power really worth it, long term, for this kind of Crusader character?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3782067, member: 2525"] OK, Hypersmurf convinced me that not all melee attacks are attack actions. Given that, the Stone Power feat seems to go down in power a lot in my estimation. The Stone Dragon group of maneuvers seems to be the weakest of the bunch (and hence everyone has access to it). While there are certainly some maneuvers in that group worth selecting, any character that has a lot of readied maneuvers will likely not come across a stone dragon maneuver all that often (less than 50% of the time most likely). So unlike Power Attack, which is often used for every attack you make if the opponent has a low AC, Stone Power won't be getting used nearly as often for characters with a lot of readied maneuvers (like Crusaders and Shadwblades), unless they want to not use maneuvers (which seems to defeat the purpose of choosing that class). Warblades will use it more often, since they have fewer readied maneuvers, and their renewal method is a normal attack action which can utilize the feat. For example, a warblade starts with only three maneuvers until higher levels, and I can see that they would use a non-Stone maneuver in round one, a Stone Dragon maneuver like Stone Bones in round two, a non-Stone maneuver in round three, and then a normal attack action with Stone Power in round four to renew their maneuvers. 50% of the time they can use the feat (though it's a bit sub-optimal with that combination, since stone bones will already reduce the damage you take, but still there will be plenty of times it will be useful even with that combination). 50% utility is not that bad. But for a Crusader like this City Watchman example? I am not so sure. At first level I can see having two-fifths of your maneuvers as Stone Dragon, but as you get higher in level I think it will likely move away from Stone Dragon selections as all those juicy Devoted and White Raven options become available. So what do you guys think? Is Stone Power really worth it, long term, for this kind of Crusader character? [/QUOTE]
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