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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5978325" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>What do you mean "A standard 8-10 year product cycle"?</p><p> </p><p>The 3.0 core books were pulled off the shelves, and pulped after <em>two and a half years</em>. The 3.5 core books lasted almost five years.</p><p> </p><p>The 8-10 year product cycle would be about twice the best Wizards of the Coast had ever done. Instead 4e is only on course for about as long as 3.5 - or twice as long as 3.0.</p><p> </p><p>Also there are precisely two things I want for 4e - Birthright and Spelljamer. Oh, and a quick combat system and a mass combat system. But ultimately the amount of useful crunch that can be released for 4e is near an end. If WotC were on an Adventure Path model like Paizo they wouldn't need a large change.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>And that's due to unrealistic targets - from several sources including Ryan Dancey I've seen a Hasbro-set target of £50 million/year. A completely unrealistic target unless DDI took off like a bat out of hell. Unfortunately WotC made the mistake of hiring Gleemax.</p><p> </p><p>4e, despite a string of minor catastrophes (starting with stupid marketing and continuing through Gleemax, screwing up the Realms and Living Greyhawk, and Essentials being released just as Borders went bankrupt when Borders was pretty much what it was targetting) has lasted about as long as 3.5.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Given that Pathfinder's poached the At Wills they can't be that bad...</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>We can and do. We just object to the people telling us our game sucked or failed. We'll know whether 5e is a success by whether there is a 5.5e or a 6e. If there's neither then 5e has failed. We're just fed up of people using any excuse they can find to bash 4e.</p><p> </p><p>And I'd have been amazed if D&D was number 1. Paizo put out as many Pathfinder books in April alone as WotC have put out 4e books in the whole year - and of those three one (Heroes of the Elemental Chaos) was good - both Undermountain and the Dungeon Explorer's Handbook were weak.</p><p></p><p>I'm surprised that WotC were even <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2" target="_blank">#2</a> off those three books. Essentials came out in 2010 and it's now 2012. Most of WotC's D&D income is probably through DDI. So who's actually buying much in the way of new books?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5978325, member: 87792"] What do you mean "A standard 8-10 year product cycle"? The 3.0 core books were pulled off the shelves, and pulped after [I]two and a half years[/I]. The 3.5 core books lasted almost five years. The 8-10 year product cycle would be about twice the best Wizards of the Coast had ever done. Instead 4e is only on course for about as long as 3.5 - or twice as long as 3.0. Also there are precisely two things I want for 4e - Birthright and Spelljamer. Oh, and a quick combat system and a mass combat system. But ultimately the amount of useful crunch that can be released for 4e is near an end. If WotC were on an Adventure Path model like Paizo they wouldn't need a large change. And that's due to unrealistic targets - from several sources including Ryan Dancey I've seen a Hasbro-set target of £50 million/year. A completely unrealistic target unless DDI took off like a bat out of hell. Unfortunately WotC made the mistake of hiring Gleemax. 4e, despite a string of minor catastrophes (starting with stupid marketing and continuing through Gleemax, screwing up the Realms and Living Greyhawk, and Essentials being released just as Borders went bankrupt when Borders was pretty much what it was targetting) has lasted about as long as 3.5. Given that Pathfinder's poached the At Wills they can't be that bad... We can and do. We just object to the people telling us our game sucked or failed. We'll know whether 5e is a success by whether there is a 5.5e or a 6e. If there's neither then 5e has failed. We're just fed up of people using any excuse they can find to bash 4e. And I'd have been amazed if D&D was number 1. Paizo put out as many Pathfinder books in April alone as WotC have put out 4e books in the whole year - and of those three one (Heroes of the Elemental Chaos) was good - both Undermountain and the Dungeon Explorer's Handbook were weak. I'm surprised that WotC were even [URL=http://www.enworld.org/forum/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=2]#2[/URL] off those three books. Essentials came out in 2010 and it's now 2012. Most of WotC's D&D income is probably through DDI. So who's actually buying much in the way of new books? [/QUOTE]
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