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<blockquote data-quote="Flashkannon" data-source="post: 7468938" data-attributes="member: 6964194"><p>I hope I'm not too late for this, but I need to point out a few wrinkles here with Summon Greater Demon and Infernal Calling</p><p></p><p>First off, for Summon Greater Demon, the material component is a vial of blood <strong>from a humanoid killed in the last 24 hours.</strong> Technically, you could just handwave this with a spell focus or a material component pouch, but that seems easily like something a DM would seize upon, if given the chance. Which would lock you into a cycle of killing creatures, humanoid ones, even.</p><p></p><p>Also, two things are of note in Infernal Calling: One, it is an Insight Check that is opposed by your choice of Persuasion, Deception, or Intimidation. Now, for the spellcasters this spell was intended for, this might be a problem, but for a Bard with Magical Secrets... Expertise in one of the aforementioned charisma skills could put you miles above the average devil, even an advanced one. In addition to this, if you're a Lore bard, you can use Cutting Words against the Devil's Insight check, since it is an ability check, and thus falls within that ability's purview. In addition to this massive boon, you can also craft a talisman that will allow you to summon a devil of +1 CR and forces it to obey you absolutely. This provides absolute immunity, unlike the Demon version, which merely reduces the chance. Crafting such an item requires two things: The devil's true name, and the blood of a worthy sacrifice, enough to bathe the talisman in, at least. While the latter presents roleplaying problems as to what is a 'worthy sacrifice' and whether you need to kill the creature, the first is easy enough to obtain, if you have a high charisma skill. You can just ask the devil, after all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flashkannon, post: 7468938, member: 6964194"] I hope I'm not too late for this, but I need to point out a few wrinkles here with Summon Greater Demon and Infernal Calling First off, for Summon Greater Demon, the material component is a vial of blood [B]from a humanoid killed in the last 24 hours.[/B] Technically, you could just handwave this with a spell focus or a material component pouch, but that seems easily like something a DM would seize upon, if given the chance. Which would lock you into a cycle of killing creatures, humanoid ones, even. Also, two things are of note in Infernal Calling: One, it is an Insight Check that is opposed by your choice of Persuasion, Deception, or Intimidation. Now, for the spellcasters this spell was intended for, this might be a problem, but for a Bard with Magical Secrets... Expertise in one of the aforementioned charisma skills could put you miles above the average devil, even an advanced one. In addition to this, if you're a Lore bard, you can use Cutting Words against the Devil's Insight check, since it is an ability check, and thus falls within that ability's purview. In addition to this massive boon, you can also craft a talisman that will allow you to summon a devil of +1 CR and forces it to obey you absolutely. This provides absolute immunity, unlike the Demon version, which merely reduces the chance. Crafting such an item requires two things: The devil's true name, and the blood of a worthy sacrifice, enough to bathe the talisman in, at least. While the latter presents roleplaying problems as to what is a 'worthy sacrifice' and whether you need to kill the creature, the first is easy enough to obtain, if you have a high charisma skill. You can just ask the devil, after all. [/QUOTE]
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