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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6576913" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>I'm not trying to bully him into giving up the PRC. Short of a permanent level drain, there isn't a game mechanic that would allow it, and the player himself is shameless. </p><p></p><p>I'm also not trying to kill his characters. As I advised the current DM, it won't change anything. All it will do is give him an opportunity to do something worse.</p><p></p><p>The problem isn't the character.</p><p></p><p>According to one guy in the group who knows him, he uses a character generator (possibly Heroforge, but I'm not sure) that can be manipulated to come up with wrong bonuses for skills and/or Saves. According to this other player there's a flaw that if you do the creation steps out of order it miscalculates things, giving higher totals than it should.</p><p></p><p>And yes, I've mentioned this player and his character here before.</p><p></p><p>His current PC is of an aquatic race from Stormwrack. 60 foot swim speed, water breathing, and the +8 to swim checks that aquatic creatures normally have. She also wears full plate and uses a heavy shield. The player was trying to pass off the presumption that the character could simply swim like a fish, no checks needed. Armor Check penalties are doubled for Swim, so the -5 from master worked full plate (required for it to be magical) becomes -10. The -1 from a master worked heavy shield (again from master worked) becomes -2. 2 points of actual skill plus three Strength bonus plus the +8 racial mod gives the PC a total bonus of +1. According to the player, however, it was +6. Somehow his computer generated sheet had come up with 5 points of bonus he couldn't account for.</p><p></p><p>While the PC can "take 10" on swim checks, that doesn't meet the DC 15 for many aquatic maneuvers, a point the player prefers to gloss over or argue about. </p><p></p><p>*** </p><p></p><p>Odd correction. I think we've been doing it wrong.</p><p></p><p>I just checked the SRD on Swim. Special maneuvers, such as Charge or Bull Rush, have a base DC of 15, and can be higher under adverse conditions. Aquatic creatures gain a +8 on swim checks for such special maneuvers or to avoid a hazard, according to the SRD. </p><p></p><p>That means they don't get that bonus all the time. Only when the "special maneuvers" modifier applies. </p><p></p><p>That all but cripples his character in the water. Our current adventure is under water.</p><p></p><p>While that inspires evil thoughts, the best thing is to talk to him and let him know that he'll have to make some adjustments to keep his aquatic speed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6576913, member: 6669384"] I'm not trying to bully him into giving up the PRC. Short of a permanent level drain, there isn't a game mechanic that would allow it, and the player himself is shameless. I'm also not trying to kill his characters. As I advised the current DM, it won't change anything. All it will do is give him an opportunity to do something worse. The problem isn't the character. According to one guy in the group who knows him, he uses a character generator (possibly Heroforge, but I'm not sure) that can be manipulated to come up with wrong bonuses for skills and/or Saves. According to this other player there's a flaw that if you do the creation steps out of order it miscalculates things, giving higher totals than it should. And yes, I've mentioned this player and his character here before. His current PC is of an aquatic race from Stormwrack. 60 foot swim speed, water breathing, and the +8 to swim checks that aquatic creatures normally have. She also wears full plate and uses a heavy shield. The player was trying to pass off the presumption that the character could simply swim like a fish, no checks needed. Armor Check penalties are doubled for Swim, so the -5 from master worked full plate (required for it to be magical) becomes -10. The -1 from a master worked heavy shield (again from master worked) becomes -2. 2 points of actual skill plus three Strength bonus plus the +8 racial mod gives the PC a total bonus of +1. According to the player, however, it was +6. Somehow his computer generated sheet had come up with 5 points of bonus he couldn't account for. While the PC can "take 10" on swim checks, that doesn't meet the DC 15 for many aquatic maneuvers, a point the player prefers to gloss over or argue about. *** Odd correction. I think we've been doing it wrong. I just checked the SRD on Swim. Special maneuvers, such as Charge or Bull Rush, have a base DC of 15, and can be higher under adverse conditions. Aquatic creatures gain a +8 on swim checks for such special maneuvers or to avoid a hazard, according to the SRD. That means they don't get that bonus all the time. Only when the "special maneuvers" modifier applies. That all but cripples his character in the water. Our current adventure is under water. While that inspires evil thoughts, the best thing is to talk to him and let him know that he'll have to make some adjustments to keep his aquatic speed. [/QUOTE]
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