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<blockquote data-quote="ThePolarBear" data-source="post: 6997187" data-attributes="member: 6857451"><p>It also says that it must obey any wish from his creator. And that personality and memories are the one of the creature thatis being taken as model for the simulacrum. Even if the model hated you and just wanted to see you dead, the spell makes that the "memories" and "personality" are after the forced "friend" and "obey". It IS a compulsion. The spell is not a compulsion spell. The creature created is still compelled to act differently on how the original would otherwise act. Always assuming a form of free will. If that's not part of the spell i repeat, there's no problem but management would be a nightmare.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair. I did not see the edit. But it actually needed time and different discussions to even consider it a possibility. That in itself is a problem, something that's an afterthought on "crap i screwed up and someone make me notice about it".</p><p>I get it that (at least i ) clearly do not have 20 int as the BBEG would. And to be even fairer there's the point to make about a duplicate still having only half the HP of the original and less spells would probably have an hard time actually "beating" the original to supplant him.</p><p>It's still a point to consider when looking for a "raw" way of creating a "me" army.</p><p></p><p>Crap, it would be easier to, instead of going roundabout with true polimorph, exploit the whole thing with the BBEG creating clones on clones of himself via wish, then create a simulacrum the normal way and have it cast wish to infuse all the clones with life and spells of servitude. Wish can totally do everything a DM allows. It could have been seen as "horcruxifying" itself with multiples bodies all sharing the same soul as a "drawback" of the misuse of wish.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah. It becomes a gotcha the moment a player tries to sneak it in to a DM that's unaware of the exploit</p><p></p><p> Not thinking that you would. I just think that the observation i made were not in any way being made moot by your replies. The edit however does make sense and does plug the problem i raised (at least for me) and was offering the OP another way to look at it still perfectly withing the realm of the rules. Personally i do not even HAVE the problem with the group i DM.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Simulacrum in my "world" is the reason why sorcerors do not exist anymore. Long story short: Sorceror used to be present. BBEG sorceror went a little bit too far, gained way to Simulacrum, chained, pretty much "won the game", wrinkle in the plan, Simulacra going wild since not really simulacra anymore, BBEG not with us anymore, lots of wishes to fix things and prevent other abuses of such power. Including "sorcerors are stupid, let's get rid of them". Sorry for the TL;DR, but it's a loooong backstory.</p><p></p><p> I agree.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. Thematically in the game i'm running however its better to leave it open as it's... well... part of the "known" history. Known in brackets, since it's not THAT known.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThePolarBear, post: 6997187, member: 6857451"] It also says that it must obey any wish from his creator. And that personality and memories are the one of the creature thatis being taken as model for the simulacrum. Even if the model hated you and just wanted to see you dead, the spell makes that the "memories" and "personality" are after the forced "friend" and "obey". It IS a compulsion. The spell is not a compulsion spell. The creature created is still compelled to act differently on how the original would otherwise act. Always assuming a form of free will. If that's not part of the spell i repeat, there's no problem but management would be a nightmare. Fair. I did not see the edit. But it actually needed time and different discussions to even consider it a possibility. That in itself is a problem, something that's an afterthought on "crap i screwed up and someone make me notice about it". I get it that (at least i ) clearly do not have 20 int as the BBEG would. And to be even fairer there's the point to make about a duplicate still having only half the HP of the original and less spells would probably have an hard time actually "beating" the original to supplant him. It's still a point to consider when looking for a "raw" way of creating a "me" army. Crap, it would be easier to, instead of going roundabout with true polimorph, exploit the whole thing with the BBEG creating clones on clones of himself via wish, then create a simulacrum the normal way and have it cast wish to infuse all the clones with life and spells of servitude. Wish can totally do everything a DM allows. It could have been seen as "horcruxifying" itself with multiples bodies all sharing the same soul as a "drawback" of the misuse of wish. Yeah. It becomes a gotcha the moment a player tries to sneak it in to a DM that's unaware of the exploit Not thinking that you would. I just think that the observation i made were not in any way being made moot by your replies. The edit however does make sense and does plug the problem i raised (at least for me) and was offering the OP another way to look at it still perfectly withing the realm of the rules. Personally i do not even HAVE the problem with the group i DM. Simulacrum in my "world" is the reason why sorcerors do not exist anymore. Long story short: Sorceror used to be present. BBEG sorceror went a little bit too far, gained way to Simulacrum, chained, pretty much "won the game", wrinkle in the plan, Simulacra going wild since not really simulacra anymore, BBEG not with us anymore, lots of wishes to fix things and prevent other abuses of such power. Including "sorcerors are stupid, let's get rid of them". Sorry for the TL;DR, but it's a loooong backstory. I agree. I agree. Thematically in the game i'm running however its better to leave it open as it's... well... part of the "known" history. Known in brackets, since it's not THAT known. [/QUOTE]
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