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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2817093" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Precisely.</p><p></p><p>Btw, Carpet of Flying was based off the Fly spell in 3E which was not a personal spell. You'll note that Monte did not base Carpet of Flying off of a personal spell. This was a case of a later on designer mucking with the idea when a different spell was available.</p><p></p><p>Ditto for Hand of Glory. In 3E, See Invisibility (not Detect Invisibility) was not a personal spell either. Granted, it only worked for the caster, but it was not a personal spell.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, both 3E and 3.5 state Detect Invisibility for Hand of Glory, however, Detect Invisibility is not a 3E or 3.5 spell. It is a 1E and 2E spell. So much for design. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason it is a bad idea to put personal spells into an item (other than a scroll where the user has to have either the proper spell list or UMD) is the same for other items as it is for potions:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It allows non-spell casters access to spells which are specifically designed to be used only by a class who has that spell on his class spell list.</p><p></p><p>Granted, this is not a rule. It is just a bad idea for the same reason it is a bad idea to do it for a potion. There is no real difference. Giving a Fighter a Shield spell with a Potion is not much different than giving it to him with a once per day item. In fact, it is even more of a bad idea with a daily item because it can be "abused" (in this case, both having a shield and using a two handed weapon or two weapon) more often than a single charge potion.</p><p></p><p>Really. What good is it to take an Arcane spell caster if all of the really good arcane personal spells can easily be placed into items that anybody can use?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2817093, member: 2011"] Precisely. Btw, Carpet of Flying was based off the Fly spell in 3E which was not a personal spell. You'll note that Monte did not base Carpet of Flying off of a personal spell. This was a case of a later on designer mucking with the idea when a different spell was available. Ditto for Hand of Glory. In 3E, See Invisibility (not Detect Invisibility) was not a personal spell either. Granted, it only worked for the caster, but it was not a personal spell. Additionally, both 3E and 3.5 state Detect Invisibility for Hand of Glory, however, Detect Invisibility is not a 3E or 3.5 spell. It is a 1E and 2E spell. So much for design. ;) The reason it is a bad idea to put personal spells into an item (other than a scroll where the user has to have either the proper spell list or UMD) is the same for other items as it is for potions: It allows non-spell casters access to spells which are specifically designed to be used only by a class who has that spell on his class spell list. Granted, this is not a rule. It is just a bad idea for the same reason it is a bad idea to do it for a potion. There is no real difference. Giving a Fighter a Shield spell with a Potion is not much different than giving it to him with a once per day item. In fact, it is even more of a bad idea with a daily item because it can be "abused" (in this case, both having a shield and using a two handed weapon or two weapon) more often than a single charge potion. Really. What good is it to take an Arcane spell caster if all of the really good arcane personal spells can easily be placed into items that anybody can use? [/QUOTE]
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