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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 6603494" data-attributes="member: 6786252"><p>Okay, setting aside that overpowered was a goalpost move (its admittedly a knee jerk response at this point), the only reason people think that the Archdruid is really good is due effective infinite THP generation. However, for a level 20 character, playing as a CR 5 critter when facing against CR 20+ threats, it is annoying. Your attacks are weak, your saves are weak, and you're physically ineffective beyond being an ignorable HP buffer.</p><p></p><p>If not for the fact you have access to spells in wildshape form now, you would have zero threat at this point in the game. </p><p></p><p>Oh, and do you know who else can do all the above stuff you listed? Any epic level spellcaster through use of polymorphs. All the above, while a good joke, is just messing around and having fun. Flavorful stuff is fun, but hardly powerful; cantrips like Prestidigitation are fun, but no one will say they're powerful. And, yes, we're still talking power.</p><p></p><p>And it still doesn't touch on the fact that the capstone is only good for Moon Druids. No one even thinks twice about it with a Land Circle, or likely any future non-shifting subclass.</p><p></p><p> Yes, the 9th level spells are the druid epic benefit. And, yes, they're more <em>powerful</em>. Fun is not a measurement. If you want to mess around and feign being someone lower level's pet, then you don't need a level 20 ability to do it. If you want to kill a 100 orcs because, then you don't need to be a level 20 character. To scare a hawk? A level 1 character can do it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 6603494, member: 6786252"] Okay, setting aside that overpowered was a goalpost move (its admittedly a knee jerk response at this point), the only reason people think that the Archdruid is really good is due effective infinite THP generation. However, for a level 20 character, playing as a CR 5 critter when facing against CR 20+ threats, it is annoying. Your attacks are weak, your saves are weak, and you're physically ineffective beyond being an ignorable HP buffer. If not for the fact you have access to spells in wildshape form now, you would have zero threat at this point in the game. Oh, and do you know who else can do all the above stuff you listed? Any epic level spellcaster through use of polymorphs. All the above, while a good joke, is just messing around and having fun. Flavorful stuff is fun, but hardly powerful; cantrips like Prestidigitation are fun, but no one will say they're powerful. And, yes, we're still talking power. And it still doesn't touch on the fact that the capstone is only good for Moon Druids. No one even thinks twice about it with a Land Circle, or likely any future non-shifting subclass. Yes, the 9th level spells are the druid epic benefit. And, yes, they're more [I]powerful[/I]. Fun is not a measurement. If you want to mess around and feign being someone lower level's pet, then you don't need a level 20 ability to do it. If you want to kill a 100 orcs because, then you don't need to be a level 20 character. To scare a hawk? A level 1 character can do it. [/QUOTE]
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