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<blockquote data-quote="machineelf" data-source="post: 7713713" data-attributes="member: 6774924"><p>Some of the worry about this massively inflating passive checks to where it's impossible to fail is misplaced. </p><p></p><p>1. As Hussar and others have pointed out, the PHB clearly states that features that allow you to double your proficiency bonus don't stack. So in the case where a 13th level character (which is getting toward high level) spends a lot of resources to have a 20 in Wisdom (+5), a proficiency in perception (+5), the Observant Feat (+5), and the Perceptive feat (+5 but doesn't stack), they can have a 25 passive perception, not a 30.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: #000000">2. That's a high score still, but they spent a lot of resources to get that, so more power to them. Let them find most all hidden doors and traps. They worked to earn that.</span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000">3. Some DC's in high-level dungeons should be set to 30. That is not DC creep, that's already in the core rules as a nearly impossible DC. Nearly impossible, but not impossible, meaning the character who spent all those resources in wisdom perception can achieve it. (They will be weak in other skills.) I find that some DMs get stuck in thinking that most all DC's should be 10, 15, or 20. Nope. Some DCs should be 25 or 30 when the characters reach 18th, 19th, and 20th levels. These DC's will be nearly impossible or impossible for most characters who aren't trained in the associated skills, but they will be very possible for characters who are well trained in those skills. That's actually a sign of the rules working, not breaking down.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="machineelf, post: 7713713, member: 6774924"] Some of the worry about this massively inflating passive checks to where it's impossible to fail is misplaced. 1. As Hussar and others have pointed out, the PHB clearly states that features that allow you to double your proficiency bonus don't stack. So in the case where a 13th level character (which is getting toward high level) spends a lot of resources to have a 20 in Wisdom (+5), a proficiency in perception (+5), the Observant Feat (+5), and the Perceptive feat (+5 but doesn't stack), they can have a 25 passive perception, not a 30. [COLOR=#000000]2. That's a high score still, but they spent a lot of resources to get that, so more power to them. Let them find most all hidden doors and traps. They worked to earn that. 3. Some DC's in high-level dungeons should be set to 30. That is not DC creep, that's already in the core rules as a nearly impossible DC. Nearly impossible, but not impossible, meaning the character who spent all those resources in wisdom perception can achieve it. (They will be weak in other skills.) I find that some DMs get stuck in thinking that most all DC's should be 10, 15, or 20. Nope. Some DCs should be 25 or 30 when the characters reach 18th, 19th, and 20th levels. These DC's will be nearly impossible or impossible for most characters who aren't trained in the associated skills, but they will be very possible for characters who are well trained in those skills. That's actually a sign of the rules working, not breaking down.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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