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Unearthed Arcana October 2017: Fiendish Options
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<blockquote data-quote="Hawk Diesel" data-source="post: 7726207" data-attributes="member: 59848"><p>Because this is not the place to persuade. This is a place to react and discuss. I'm not trying to change minds, but it is interesting seeing what others see that were in my blind spot, and hopefully sharing the same with others.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Just because I'm an "armchair quarterback" does not de-legitimize my arguments or opinion. In fact, as a person that pays for content, our opinion of this work does matter. WotC has done much better than this in previous UAs, and so when the quality falls it is our responsibility to call them out for it when we see it, lest we get more of the same. I also have a problem in how they packaged this. These are tiefling options for players. They are not fleshed out subraces, no matter how much the writers attempted to disguise it as such in their write-ups for each demon/devil lord's bloodline.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is exactly an extension of the problem I pointed out with this content. The differences between a high elf, wood elf, drow, and eladrin are obvious. The difference between lightfoot halflings, stout halflings, and ghostwise halflings are equally distinct.</p><p></p><p>But for the tiefling "subraces"? Out of the ones presented, 4 share thaumaturgy and 2 share mage hand as their cantrip options. 2 of them share disguise self as their 1st level spell option. 2 of them share invisibility and 2 of them share darkness as their 2nd level spell option. How can anyone claim they are distinct subraces when there is so much overlap?</p><p></p><p>I am not familiar with the lore or powers of Glasya or Dispater, but I am sure more separates them than minor illusion versus thaumaturgy. There is literally only one difference between the two. They are not subraces, they are cousins... siblings even.</p><p></p><p>The only race like this is the dragonborn, but even they do not claim each color represents a different subrace, but rather an ancestry. They don't get different stat adjustments or anything like that based on their color choice. Their ancestry ability is the same across the bloodlines, and they are given a chart to choose from. If WotC wanted to go that route, cool. But don't pass these off as subraces. They are the same race and they are changing Infernal Legacy into an ancestry ability like dragonborn.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hawk Diesel, post: 7726207, member: 59848"] Because this is not the place to persuade. This is a place to react and discuss. I'm not trying to change minds, but it is interesting seeing what others see that were in my blind spot, and hopefully sharing the same with others. Just because I'm an "armchair quarterback" does not de-legitimize my arguments or opinion. In fact, as a person that pays for content, our opinion of this work does matter. WotC has done much better than this in previous UAs, and so when the quality falls it is our responsibility to call them out for it when we see it, lest we get more of the same. I also have a problem in how they packaged this. These are tiefling options for players. They are not fleshed out subraces, no matter how much the writers attempted to disguise it as such in their write-ups for each demon/devil lord's bloodline. This is exactly an extension of the problem I pointed out with this content. The differences between a high elf, wood elf, drow, and eladrin are obvious. The difference between lightfoot halflings, stout halflings, and ghostwise halflings are equally distinct. But for the tiefling "subraces"? Out of the ones presented, 4 share thaumaturgy and 2 share mage hand as their cantrip options. 2 of them share disguise self as their 1st level spell option. 2 of them share invisibility and 2 of them share darkness as their 2nd level spell option. How can anyone claim they are distinct subraces when there is so much overlap? I am not familiar with the lore or powers of Glasya or Dispater, but I am sure more separates them than minor illusion versus thaumaturgy. There is literally only one difference between the two. They are not subraces, they are cousins... siblings even. The only race like this is the dragonborn, but even they do not claim each color represents a different subrace, but rather an ancestry. They don't get different stat adjustments or anything like that based on their color choice. Their ancestry ability is the same across the bloodlines, and they are given a chart to choose from. If WotC wanted to go that route, cool. But don't pass these off as subraces. They are the same race and they are changing Infernal Legacy into an ancestry ability like dragonborn. [/QUOTE]
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