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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 7965125" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>No it isn't. Notice you even had to go to the lengths of saying "psionics classes" as opposed to "the Psion class" because even that couldn't be said. If you cannot even name it the same thing, much less have it function the same way with the same themes throughout them, then it's not a "huge tradition". Heck, I don't think anything which isn't in the core books can be claimed to have a "huge" tradition. Talk about "forced" I think forcing the "tradition" label onto this topic, and then exaggerating it with the "huge" claim, is forcing it because the correlation is pretty weak.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There you go again, calling a relatively small thing found in expansion books "huge". My point isn't that those editions had no psionic classes, it's that they didn't treat the psionic classes consistently as the same thing between them. All they had was the name in common for the most part, and even that they didn't have consistent because one was a Psionicist and two were Psions. This is not the making of a "huge" anything, much less a huge tradition. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, i mostly was saying 3E-4E but that one time I left the 4E part out. Sorry about that. Psion is a 3E-4E thing. Though even those two editions didn't address the psion themes the same and mostly just shared the name.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh no, it's definitely genuine. Something isn't disingenuous just because you disagree with it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. The bard has been a total mess throughout the editions. I like this bard, but it's not similar to most prior bards. If you want to make the argument that there is no clear tradition for bard, I will likely agree. </p><p></p><p>See, it's a genuine stance I am taking. No need for the personal attack. You're getting my actual opinion, not disagreement for disagreements sake.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a strong argument because now you're talking about core classes throughout all the editions where, while mechanics might change, themes often were the same. Psionics is 1) not a core class, and 2) wasn't in all the editions as even an expansion class, 3) didn't even have the same name when it did show up as an expansion class, and 4) those expansion classes, when they happened, doesn't even share a lot of themes between editions. Few seem to agree on what psionics should even cover and not cover. </p><p></p><p>I feel like you're glossing over these differences rather than addressing them head-on.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 7965125, member: 2525"] No it isn't. Notice you even had to go to the lengths of saying "psionics classes" as opposed to "the Psion class" because even that couldn't be said. If you cannot even name it the same thing, much less have it function the same way with the same themes throughout them, then it's not a "huge tradition". Heck, I don't think anything which isn't in the core books can be claimed to have a "huge" tradition. Talk about "forced" I think forcing the "tradition" label onto this topic, and then exaggerating it with the "huge" claim, is forcing it because the correlation is pretty weak. There you go again, calling a relatively small thing found in expansion books "huge". My point isn't that those editions had no psionic classes, it's that they didn't treat the psionic classes consistently as the same thing between them. All they had was the name in common for the most part, and even that they didn't have consistent because one was a Psionicist and two were Psions. This is not the making of a "huge" anything, much less a huge tradition. Right, i mostly was saying 3E-4E but that one time I left the 4E part out. Sorry about that. Psion is a 3E-4E thing. Though even those two editions didn't address the psion themes the same and mostly just shared the name. Oh no, it's definitely genuine. Something isn't disingenuous just because you disagree with it. I agree. The bard has been a total mess throughout the editions. I like this bard, but it's not similar to most prior bards. If you want to make the argument that there is no clear tradition for bard, I will likely agree. See, it's a genuine stance I am taking. No need for the personal attack. You're getting my actual opinion, not disagreement for disagreements sake. It's a strong argument because now you're talking about core classes throughout all the editions where, while mechanics might change, themes often were the same. Psionics is 1) not a core class, and 2) wasn't in all the editions as even an expansion class, 3) didn't even have the same name when it did show up as an expansion class, and 4) those expansion classes, when they happened, doesn't even share a lot of themes between editions. Few seem to agree on what psionics should even cover and not cover. I feel like you're glossing over these differences rather than addressing them head-on. [/QUOTE]
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