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Vampire: Past the Masquerade, How Not to Suck
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<blockquote data-quote="MwaO" data-source="post: 6932999" data-attributes="member: 12749"><p>Extra damage never gets to have bonuses added to it. There should be no optimization available as it is not actually an independent damage roll...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>When you ran out of uses of Blood Drinker, haven't power swapped, and you use it without spending an extra surge. Or you're AP'ing and already got Blood Drinker off on your 1st action. Or you know it is the last combat of the day, aren't going to run out of surges, and you want the extra +2d8 or target 2 opponents. It isn't great, but at 11th, it is kind of a 4W attack if you spend a surge which ought to generally be extra. That's obviously not great compared to multi-attacking, but...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think the problem is that it is a nova power that shouldn't be used in a nova round. And Swam of Shadows is a much better option once you get to 15th. Purple represents that it does need to be used so carefully. Also, similar to many 'do single attack, get bonuses for rest of combat' - it is usually inferior to just 'do multi-attacking right from the start' - which Vampires can't naturally do, but if they MC, they can and then should...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>For a 15th level PC, this isn't a great 15th level power due to only being Close Blast 3. Where Swam of Shadows for a 1st level PC is a great 1st level power given it is Close Blast 3. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MwaO, post: 6932999, member: 12749"] Extra damage never gets to have bonuses added to it. There should be no optimization available as it is not actually an independent damage roll... When you ran out of uses of Blood Drinker, haven't power swapped, and you use it without spending an extra surge. Or you're AP'ing and already got Blood Drinker off on your 1st action. Or you know it is the last combat of the day, aren't going to run out of surges, and you want the extra +2d8 or target 2 opponents. It isn't great, but at 11th, it is kind of a 4W attack if you spend a surge which ought to generally be extra. That's obviously not great compared to multi-attacking, but... I think the problem is that it is a nova power that shouldn't be used in a nova round. And Swam of Shadows is a much better option once you get to 15th. Purple represents that it does need to be used so carefully. Also, similar to many 'do single attack, get bonuses for rest of combat' - it is usually inferior to just 'do multi-attacking right from the start' - which Vampires can't naturally do, but if they MC, they can and then should... For a 15th level PC, this isn't a great 15th level power due to only being Close Blast 3. Where Swam of Shadows for a 1st level PC is a great 1st level power given it is Close Blast 3. :) [/QUOTE]
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