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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7564387" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>If by "similar total power level to the PHB" you mean PHB classes in general, I'm game.</p><p></p><p>But if you mean "similar total power level to the PHB <strong>Rogue</strong>" then I'm afraid I have little to say, since my every concern about the rogue can be boiled down to "it doesn't do enough damage, at least not in games with feats".</p><p></p><p>That said, I do understand that with the "Brutish Scoundrel" archetype you can approach this from the other angle - by reducing the squishiness. That is, a Rogue that is considerably more sturdy as a front-line combatant makes more sense as a character with PHB levels of damage output. </p><p></p><p>However, in this scenario I do see the "doesn't that sound like a Dex Fighter?" angle. To be frightfully honest, I believe the time for the Strength Rogue has more or less passed, now that 5th Edition has taken six or seven measures to boost Dexterity-based martials <span style="font-size: 10px">(compared to 3E)</span>. About the only passable concept for the Strength martial is the brawny greataxe wielder - every other concept is already a Dex fighter.</p><p></p><p>Except... the squishy character that plays rocket tag! Point is: I like the Rogue's squishiness <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </p><p></p><p>That is IMO the defining feature that distinguishes it from its two non-magical brethren, the Fighter and Barbarian. </p><p></p><p>So I am personally much more interested in making the Rogue the martial class with the worst defense and the best offense. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>But that is not worth my while if I have to stick to a similar total power level to the PHB Rogue. Frankly, that is akin to trying to design an attractive Beastmaster Ranger that can't abolish the PHB restrictions on the beast, I'm afraid. Quite the mission impossible, or rather mission hopeless.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7564387, member: 12731"] If by "similar total power level to the PHB" you mean PHB classes in general, I'm game. But if you mean "similar total power level to the PHB [B]Rogue[/B]" then I'm afraid I have little to say, since my every concern about the rogue can be boiled down to "it doesn't do enough damage, at least not in games with feats". That said, I do understand that with the "Brutish Scoundrel" archetype you can approach this from the other angle - by reducing the squishiness. That is, a Rogue that is considerably more sturdy as a front-line combatant makes more sense as a character with PHB levels of damage output. However, in this scenario I do see the "doesn't that sound like a Dex Fighter?" angle. To be frightfully honest, I believe the time for the Strength Rogue has more or less passed, now that 5th Edition has taken six or seven measures to boost Dexterity-based martials [SIZE=2](compared to 3E)[/SIZE]. About the only passable concept for the Strength martial is the brawny greataxe wielder - every other concept is already a Dex fighter. Except... the squishy character that plays rocket tag! Point is: I like the Rogue's squishiness :) That is IMO the defining feature that distinguishes it from its two non-magical brethren, the Fighter and Barbarian. So I am personally much more interested in making the Rogue the martial class with the worst defense and the best offense. :) But that is not worth my while if I have to stick to a similar total power level to the PHB Rogue. Frankly, that is akin to trying to design an attractive Beastmaster Ranger that can't abolish the PHB restrictions on the beast, I'm afraid. Quite the mission impossible, or rather mission hopeless. [/QUOTE]
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