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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9048293" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>The problem for the mammoth vs squirrel is that the rules we have are only for humanoids falling, and I'd say medium humanoids at that. In a vacuum the mammoth and squirrel are both going to suffocate quickly while also falling at the same speed. The terminal velocity of a mammoth is significantly higher than that of a squirrel*, kind of like comparing a falling bowling ball to a feather. In addition, in the real world unlike D&D, truly massive creatures have to deal with the reality of mass and the strength of bones. A giant would collapse under their own weight in the real world.</p><p></p><p>In any case when in combat (which is all we have for dragon flight speed) you really aren't moving all that fast, the flight speed is 80 feet per round base. So about 30% faster than the speed of a person moving and dashing; it would hurt to run into a wall that fast but likely wouldn't be deadly. Because it's D&D, the mass of the creature doesn't really matter much.</p><p></p><p>So how fast are you going if you fall 10 feet? Well, according to <a href="https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/free-fall-air-resistance" target="_blank">Omnicalculator </a>(I really wanted to use the <a href="https://www.angio.net/personal/climb/speed" target="_blank">Splat Calculator</a> for this, but my brain hurts converting to metric) after falling 10 feet you're going 25.23 feet/second which rounds down to 150 feet per round. So according to the rules ... hmm ... at first I was going to say you're never going to hit that speed but then again you're doing things other than just moving, so with a dash the average person could go 60 feet per round. Still less than half unless you're a monk.</p><p></p><p>But a sprinting (move + dash) dragon would be 160 feet/round so close to that speed. That means, according to D&D rules, they'd be going about as fast as you are falling after 10 feet. Therefore they take 1d6 damage. Running into a wall is going to hurt. It theoretically could even kill a commoner. It's hardly going to register with a dragon.</p><p></p><p>And ... now I have to quit procrastinating and go do something useful.</p><p></p><p>*<em>A 150 pound person has a terminal velocity of 173 feet/s, an mammoth around 1,600 feet/s, a squirrel reaches terminal velocity at around 10 feet at about 14 feet/s. It's likely even lower for the squirrel because they can increase their air resistance more effectively than human or mammoth.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 9048293, member: 6801845"] The problem for the mammoth vs squirrel is that the rules we have are only for humanoids falling, and I'd say medium humanoids at that. In a vacuum the mammoth and squirrel are both going to suffocate quickly while also falling at the same speed. The terminal velocity of a mammoth is significantly higher than that of a squirrel*, kind of like comparing a falling bowling ball to a feather. In addition, in the real world unlike D&D, truly massive creatures have to deal with the reality of mass and the strength of bones. A giant would collapse under their own weight in the real world. In any case when in combat (which is all we have for dragon flight speed) you really aren't moving all that fast, the flight speed is 80 feet per round base. So about 30% faster than the speed of a person moving and dashing; it would hurt to run into a wall that fast but likely wouldn't be deadly. Because it's D&D, the mass of the creature doesn't really matter much. So how fast are you going if you fall 10 feet? Well, according to [URL='https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/free-fall-air-resistance']Omnicalculator [/URL](I really wanted to use the [URL='https://www.angio.net/personal/climb/speed']Splat Calculator[/URL] for this, but my brain hurts converting to metric) after falling 10 feet you're going 25.23 feet/second which rounds down to 150 feet per round. So according to the rules ... hmm ... at first I was going to say you're never going to hit that speed but then again you're doing things other than just moving, so with a dash the average person could go 60 feet per round. Still less than half unless you're a monk. But a sprinting (move + dash) dragon would be 160 feet/round so close to that speed. That means, according to D&D rules, they'd be going about as fast as you are falling after 10 feet. Therefore they take 1d6 damage. Running into a wall is going to hurt. It theoretically could even kill a commoner. It's hardly going to register with a dragon. And ... now I have to quit procrastinating and go do something useful. *[I]A 150 pound person has a terminal velocity of 173 feet/s, an mammoth around 1,600 feet/s, a squirrel reaches terminal velocity at around 10 feet at about 14 feet/s. It's likely even lower for the squirrel because they can increase their air resistance more effectively than human or mammoth.[/I] [/QUOTE]
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