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<blockquote data-quote="ChromWolf" data-source="post: 4737719" data-attributes="member: 18464"><p>We'd come across a red dragon (I can't be sure what age category, but it was size Huge), and I play the party wizard. I'd had a Wall of Force prepared. My thought was that if I cast the Wall of Force around the dragon, it would crash into the wall and fall to the ground since its flight maneuverability is "Poor", IIRC. My caster level is 16, so I figured I could only encircle 4 of the 6 sides of the dragon (in other words, to form a giant cube around it, except the top and bottom sides would be open). At best, it would only delay the dragon for a round, but I was hoping that would serve its purpose all the same.</p><p></p><p>However, the DM ruled that the spell did not have the "(S)" in its spell entry, and the only things it says is more or less "one 10-foot square of wall per caster level". My DM ruled that I had to create an absolutely flat, vertical wall (i.e. no turns, just a flat plane). Is he correct in this ruling, or can Wall of Force be created such that it would encircle a size-huge red dragon on all four sides, given 4 sides x 4 (10-foot) squares = 16 (10-foot) squares per level?</p><p></p><p>After having the "encircle the dragon" tactic shot down, I tried just placing the wall immediately in front of the dragon to result in the same effect: Dragon (with its not-so-great Maneuverability) crashes into wall, and falls to the ground. The DM felt he should get a reflex save just as with Wall of Stone, but of course Wall of Force has no Save and no SR--which is precisely the reason I selected it. He gave up on that avenue and went with another....</p><p></p><p>He ruled that I could only create the wall so that it touched the ground, but the dragon was 30 feet up in the air. ...The rules don't say anything at all about requiring the wall to be based on the ground (especially since it has no mass, and cannot be moved), one way or another.</p><p></p><p>At this point I was pretty frustrated; it felt like my creative tactics were getting shot down in favor of the dragon getting to fly around over us at the DM's will. Since we'd already spent a half hour scouring books, and I could tell the rest of the players were about as annoyed as I was frustrated, I gave up and just switched to my handy-dandy Wand of Lesser Orb of Cold.....</p><p></p><p>How should this have gone down, from a "RAW" standpoint? ...I suppose I can see the DM's side of things on the first point, since there's no "Shapable" denotation in the spell's description, but what about the rest?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ChromWolf, post: 4737719, member: 18464"] We'd come across a red dragon (I can't be sure what age category, but it was size Huge), and I play the party wizard. I'd had a Wall of Force prepared. My thought was that if I cast the Wall of Force around the dragon, it would crash into the wall and fall to the ground since its flight maneuverability is "Poor", IIRC. My caster level is 16, so I figured I could only encircle 4 of the 6 sides of the dragon (in other words, to form a giant cube around it, except the top and bottom sides would be open). At best, it would only delay the dragon for a round, but I was hoping that would serve its purpose all the same. However, the DM ruled that the spell did not have the "(S)" in its spell entry, and the only things it says is more or less "one 10-foot square of wall per caster level". My DM ruled that I had to create an absolutely flat, vertical wall (i.e. no turns, just a flat plane). Is he correct in this ruling, or can Wall of Force be created such that it would encircle a size-huge red dragon on all four sides, given 4 sides x 4 (10-foot) squares = 16 (10-foot) squares per level? After having the "encircle the dragon" tactic shot down, I tried just placing the wall immediately in front of the dragon to result in the same effect: Dragon (with its not-so-great Maneuverability) crashes into wall, and falls to the ground. The DM felt he should get a reflex save just as with Wall of Stone, but of course Wall of Force has no Save and no SR--which is precisely the reason I selected it. He gave up on that avenue and went with another.... He ruled that I could only create the wall so that it touched the ground, but the dragon was 30 feet up in the air. ...The rules don't say anything at all about requiring the wall to be based on the ground (especially since it has no mass, and cannot be moved), one way or another. At this point I was pretty frustrated; it felt like my creative tactics were getting shot down in favor of the dragon getting to fly around over us at the DM's will. Since we'd already spent a half hour scouring books, and I could tell the rest of the players were about as annoyed as I was frustrated, I gave up and just switched to my handy-dandy Wand of Lesser Orb of Cold..... How should this have gone down, from a "RAW" standpoint? ...I suppose I can see the DM's side of things on the first point, since there's no "Shapable" denotation in the spell's description, but what about the rest? [/QUOTE]
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