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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5728973" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>The rules also do not say that any portion of a trigger has already occurred.</p><p></p><p>For example, you consider the Shield spell to modify the resolution of "you are hit". You haven't actually been hit yet until the trigger effect resolves. The trigger hasn't yet technically happened.</p><p></p><p>I consider the Bear's Endurance spell to modify the resolution of "you drop below zero hit points". You haven't actually dropped below zero yet until the trigger effect resolves. The trigger hasn't yet technically happened because the trigger is being interrupted.</p><p></p><p>Same for Combat Challenge. The foe technically has not left his square or attacked yet. The trigger itself is interrupted. He hasn't partially left his square or partially attacked. The trigger itself starts, but has ZERO rules effect implemented quite yet. It's as if it has not yet started at all.</p><p></p><p>The problem with your rules interpretation is that you are dropping the PC to zero hit points BEFORE the interrupt occurs. You are not doing this for Shield or Combat Challenge or any other immediate interrupt.</p><p></p><p>You are saying that the PC has already dropped below zero hit points. The trigger itself has already happened (or partially happened).</p><p></p><p>You are not saying that the PC with Shield has already been hit.</p><p></p><p>You are not saying that the NPC with Combat Challenge has already shifted out of his square.</p><p></p><p>With Angelic Intercession, the ally is not yet hit, the interrupt occurs and the Paladin is hit instead.</p><p></p><p>Weave through the Fray is an excellent example because it illustrates how your interpretation is not consistent.</p><p></p><p>Trigger: An enemy moves adjacent to you</p><p>Effect: You can shift a number of squares equal to your Wisdom</p><p>modifier.</p><p></p><p>According to your interpretation, the enemy is already in the square next to the PC when the PC shifts. This is set in stone and the effect of the interrupt cannot stop it. The move into the adjacent square has already happened.</p><p></p><p>According to my interpretation, the enemy starts to move into the square adjacent to the PC and the PC can shift into that square and prevent the enemy from going there. The trigger hasn't yet been resolved and hasn't yet completed. It can be negated, partially or wholly.</p><p></p><p>For your interpretation to be correct, this power would have to be an immediate reaction. The foe moves into the square. Then the PC can shift and he cannot move into that square cause the foe is already there.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the difference between our interpretation. The trigger has started in my interpretation, but it hasn't actually yet happened and the entire trigger can be negated if the effect of the interrupt is capable of doing that.</p><p></p><p>In your interpretation, sometimes the trigger hasn't really occurred yet and in other cases, it has partially or wholly happened already.</p><p></p><p>That's why your interpretation is inconsistent. The trigger has already happened in your interpretation and sometimes you back it up and allow it to not happen and other times, you don't.</p><p></p><p>By allowing the trigger to partially occur, you are not allowing the action or event to truly be interrupted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 5728973, member: 2011"] The rules also do not say that any portion of a trigger has already occurred. For example, you consider the Shield spell to modify the resolution of "you are hit". You haven't actually been hit yet until the trigger effect resolves. The trigger hasn't yet technically happened. I consider the Bear's Endurance spell to modify the resolution of "you drop below zero hit points". You haven't actually dropped below zero yet until the trigger effect resolves. The trigger hasn't yet technically happened because the trigger is being interrupted. Same for Combat Challenge. The foe technically has not left his square or attacked yet. The trigger itself is interrupted. He hasn't partially left his square or partially attacked. The trigger itself starts, but has ZERO rules effect implemented quite yet. It's as if it has not yet started at all. The problem with your rules interpretation is that you are dropping the PC to zero hit points BEFORE the interrupt occurs. You are not doing this for Shield or Combat Challenge or any other immediate interrupt. You are saying that the PC has already dropped below zero hit points. The trigger itself has already happened (or partially happened). You are not saying that the PC with Shield has already been hit. You are not saying that the NPC with Combat Challenge has already shifted out of his square. With Angelic Intercession, the ally is not yet hit, the interrupt occurs and the Paladin is hit instead. Weave through the Fray is an excellent example because it illustrates how your interpretation is not consistent. Trigger: An enemy moves adjacent to you Effect: You can shift a number of squares equal to your Wisdom modifier. According to your interpretation, the enemy is already in the square next to the PC when the PC shifts. This is set in stone and the effect of the interrupt cannot stop it. The move into the adjacent square has already happened. According to my interpretation, the enemy starts to move into the square adjacent to the PC and the PC can shift into that square and prevent the enemy from going there. The trigger hasn't yet been resolved and hasn't yet completed. It can be negated, partially or wholly. For your interpretation to be correct, this power would have to be an immediate reaction. The foe moves into the square. Then the PC can shift and he cannot move into that square cause the foe is already there. This is the difference between our interpretation. The trigger has started in my interpretation, but it hasn't actually yet happened and the entire trigger can be negated if the effect of the interrupt is capable of doing that. In your interpretation, sometimes the trigger hasn't really occurred yet and in other cases, it has partially or wholly happened already. That's why your interpretation is inconsistent. The trigger has already happened in your interpretation and sometimes you back it up and allow it to not happen and other times, you don't. By allowing the trigger to partially occur, you are not allowing the action or event to truly be interrupted. [/QUOTE]
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