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<blockquote data-quote="PrometheanVigil" data-source="post: 7729902" data-attributes="member: 6703801"><p>SOTDL is sick. It's obviously been born from the love of the opaquely bleak setting of Warhammer but with more focus on the gonzo. But what's better is that it understands the dungeon-delving tropes are more fun than being a godamm rat catcher. You can be that, if you want, although it's just a background because the meat of the system pushes fun abilities and spells and stuff to the front just like D&D. It gets the feeling across without needlessly drowning you in purposefully bad PC classes and repeated cycles of having crappy arms and armor and being perpetually poor (because ambition gets you killed in WFRP).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't mind Warhammer getting all stupid with the grossness but that just turns it into an asinine product for me. There's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of stupid stuff in the WHFN and WH40K universes that I gloss over or ignore entirely anytime I'm running an RPG in those settings. The books I have read that use the settings have not all been the most rarefied explorations but there have been some stories where something really decent comes along. A lot of the punk stuff isn't really, <em>really</em> punk as much as it's 80's satire and a very English gaze of the world. Being from England (albeit born in the 90's), I can totally identify with and feel at home some of the little cultural things peppered in through the setting. And then feel very uncomfortable flicking through something like Only War and seeing <a href="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications" target="_blank">Unfortunate Implications</a> everywhere (especially the nazi fetish uniforms and colonial attitude inherent to the setting)...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I ended up really liking the Enemy Within WHFN novel. It was a much-needed look at the universe from the perspective of a sorcerer who's not some cackling, ugly SOB who sacrifices people to Khorne for teh lulz and pawar or whatever (I still only really know the universes from the novels, computer games and RPG books, had to parse a lot of the crap like cogitators and electoos into what they are).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suspect it's going to get backlash. I don't know what exactly but given the best dowsing rod for the success and approval of Warhammer stuff are from places like the RPGCodex and gamers who frequent 1d4chan, we're going to see something go down.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>A lot Cthulhu stuff is trashy and pulpy. Wretched people going and busting up disgusting cult-y bozos in their mothers' basements or some why-the-hell-would-you-go-there cabin in the woods. I don't hold much stock in opinions that use COC as a comparative. Nothing wrong with what you've said per se; Warhammer is just plain offensive at the worst of time -- you have to really ignore the Unfortunate Implications mentioned above to enjoy the decent bits when they pop up.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I saw video review of Zweihander online. The guy records himself page-turning while waxing about the game. It just looked like a heartbreaker honestly and didn't sound that great system-wise (although kudos to being able to churn out a high production values book, that speaks more than you'd think to what the guy could do if he'd just get over the "I wish I'd made Warhammer" thing like right now). Also, you can read the text as he's recording in 1080p and I totally agree with him, there's way, way too much writing for no reason (which is why the book is like 600 pages -- no actual reason, just text for text's sake).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PrometheanVigil, post: 7729902, member: 6703801"] SOTDL is sick. It's obviously been born from the love of the opaquely bleak setting of Warhammer but with more focus on the gonzo. But what's better is that it understands the dungeon-delving tropes are more fun than being a godamm rat catcher. You can be that, if you want, although it's just a background because the meat of the system pushes fun abilities and spells and stuff to the front just like D&D. It gets the feeling across without needlessly drowning you in purposefully bad PC classes and repeated cycles of having crappy arms and armor and being perpetually poor (because ambition gets you killed in WFRP). I don't mind Warhammer getting all stupid with the grossness but that just turns it into an asinine product for me. There's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of stupid stuff in the WHFN and WH40K universes that I gloss over or ignore entirely anytime I'm running an RPG in those settings. The books I have read that use the settings have not all been the most rarefied explorations but there have been some stories where something really decent comes along. A lot of the punk stuff isn't really, [I]really[/I] punk as much as it's 80's satire and a very English gaze of the world. Being from England (albeit born in the 90's), I can totally identify with and feel at home some of the little cultural things peppered in through the setting. And then feel very uncomfortable flicking through something like Only War and seeing [URL="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnfortunateImplications"]Unfortunate Implications[/URL] everywhere (especially the nazi fetish uniforms and colonial attitude inherent to the setting)... I ended up really liking the Enemy Within WHFN novel. It was a much-needed look at the universe from the perspective of a sorcerer who's not some cackling, ugly SOB who sacrifices people to Khorne for teh lulz and pawar or whatever (I still only really know the universes from the novels, computer games and RPG books, had to parse a lot of the crap like cogitators and electoos into what they are). I suspect it's going to get backlash. I don't know what exactly but given the best dowsing rod for the success and approval of Warhammer stuff are from places like the RPGCodex and gamers who frequent 1d4chan, we're going to see something go down. A lot Cthulhu stuff is trashy and pulpy. Wretched people going and busting up disgusting cult-y bozos in their mothers' basements or some why-the-hell-would-you-go-there cabin in the woods. I don't hold much stock in opinions that use COC as a comparative. Nothing wrong with what you've said per se; Warhammer is just plain offensive at the worst of time -- you have to really ignore the Unfortunate Implications mentioned above to enjoy the decent bits when they pop up. I saw video review of Zweihander online. The guy records himself page-turning while waxing about the game. It just looked like a heartbreaker honestly and didn't sound that great system-wise (although kudos to being able to churn out a high production values book, that speaks more than you'd think to what the guy could do if he'd just get over the "I wish I'd made Warhammer" thing like right now). Also, you can read the text as he's recording in 1080p and I totally agree with him, there's way, way too much writing for no reason (which is why the book is like 600 pages -- no actual reason, just text for text's sake). [/QUOTE]
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