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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 4344662" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>First you have to agree on what is a fact, then you have to agree on what the facts mean. What you think is a fact may be different than what another person thinks is a fact. Even if you both agree that a certain statement is a true fact, you may disagree on what that fact means in different contexts. </p><p> </p><p>The 4e rules try to be clear, but people bring a lot of baggage with them when it comes to certain subjects. Stealth is one of them - it's been handled different ways in different editions, and in different RPG's that people have played over the years. So when they read the rules on stealth they tend to read them in the way that matches the way they are used to it working (if they liked the way it worked anyway), because that is what makes the most sense. </p><p> </p><p>There have been several threads on Stealth already, so it seems that the facts of the matter are not completely cut and dried. </p><p> </p><p>I haven't studied the 4e Stealth rules in depth, so I don't feel ready to come down on one side or the other yet. Besides, 4e doesn't feel "real" to me yet, so it's hard to get worked up about it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 4344662, member: 284"] First you have to agree on what is a fact, then you have to agree on what the facts mean. What you think is a fact may be different than what another person thinks is a fact. Even if you both agree that a certain statement is a true fact, you may disagree on what that fact means in different contexts. The 4e rules try to be clear, but people bring a lot of baggage with them when it comes to certain subjects. Stealth is one of them - it's been handled different ways in different editions, and in different RPG's that people have played over the years. So when they read the rules on stealth they tend to read them in the way that matches the way they are used to it working (if they liked the way it worked anyway), because that is what makes the most sense. There have been several threads on Stealth already, so it seems that the facts of the matter are not completely cut and dried. I haven't studied the 4e Stealth rules in depth, so I don't feel ready to come down on one side or the other yet. Besides, 4e doesn't feel "real" to me yet, so it's hard to get worked up about it. :) [/QUOTE]
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