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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6148321" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>1) FFtB was inspired by the Divine Wrath Channel Divinity of the Cleric (but not remotely the same thing mechanically). However, its much more <em>potential </em>damage (requiring successful attack rolls), <em>potentially </em>used as an AoE (or even a move for strategic positioning/retreat) and it uses multiple reactions within the action economy. I was assuming an Int with a + 3 (so 3 actions) and wasn't counting the Warlord as ally in this equation. So, higher damage ceiling, more utility, but minor punitive effect of reaction expenditure (with 4-5 allies it is probably likely that 3 of them would find this a better expenditure than their own reaction for the round). If its crap or too powerful, the number of allies could be bumped up (or yourself included) or down (a dial).</p><p></p><p>2) SiO is a refluffed version of Magical Vestment of the Cleric. It was just buffed from 10/20 to 15/30 so apparently it was a bit weak! However, its utility is different as MV is target:self only while SiO is target:allies only (keeping coherency in thematic space with the Warlord)</p><p></p><p>I was primarily trying to carve out the thematic space and the tactical richness of the Warlord. Further, I wanted to hem in the metagame aspect of the class (compared to 4e) and do a poll on how many folks <em>still </em>saw it as too metagame intensive; although I find it a bit absurd that folks that love the Warlord (specifically <em>for </em>its metagame intensiveness) would have to have their favored class vetted by the "HP as meat only" lobby, especially if its to be siloed into a module to keep the antiseptic version of Basic 5e free of its infectious machinations. Finally, I wanted to see how many folks thought that the Warlord could be better contrived within the Fighter chassis + the proper specialty and background.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6148321, member: 6696971"] 1) FFtB was inspired by the Divine Wrath Channel Divinity of the Cleric (but not remotely the same thing mechanically). However, its much more [I]potential [/I]damage (requiring successful attack rolls), [I]potentially [/I]used as an AoE (or even a move for strategic positioning/retreat) and it uses multiple reactions within the action economy. I was assuming an Int with a + 3 (so 3 actions) and wasn't counting the Warlord as ally in this equation. So, higher damage ceiling, more utility, but minor punitive effect of reaction expenditure (with 4-5 allies it is probably likely that 3 of them would find this a better expenditure than their own reaction for the round). If its crap or too powerful, the number of allies could be bumped up (or yourself included) or down (a dial). 2) SiO is a refluffed version of Magical Vestment of the Cleric. It was just buffed from 10/20 to 15/30 so apparently it was a bit weak! However, its utility is different as MV is target:self only while SiO is target:allies only (keeping coherency in thematic space with the Warlord) I was primarily trying to carve out the thematic space and the tactical richness of the Warlord. Further, I wanted to hem in the metagame aspect of the class (compared to 4e) and do a poll on how many folks [I]still [/I]saw it as too metagame intensive; although I find it a bit absurd that folks that love the Warlord (specifically [I]for [/I]its metagame intensiveness) would have to have their favored class vetted by the "HP as meat only" lobby, especially if its to be siloed into a module to keep the antiseptic version of Basic 5e free of its infectious machinations. Finally, I wanted to see how many folks thought that the Warlord could be better contrived within the Fighter chassis + the proper specialty and background. [/QUOTE]
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