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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7696546" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I appear to be in close agreement with Tony.</p><p></p><p>In D&D terms, approximately speaking:</p><p></p><p>1e: Gandalf is an Agathion in human form with 6 additional levels of M-U (because he's an unusually powerful and knowledgeable member of his race) or perhaps simply the ability to cast spells as a 6th level M-U. </p><p>3e: Gandalf is a 6th level Wizard with the Half-Celestial template. </p><p></p><p>In both cases "Gandalf" is actually Olorin is a servant of the Solar Varda, who is ruling middle-earth jointly with her spouse Manwe, in vassalage to Illuvatar (the only being with true divine rank in the setting).</p><p></p><p>Gandalf is known to use the following arcane spells: affect normal fires, light, hold portal, knock, shatter, lightning bolt, fireball, produce flame, pyrotechnics, 'Gandalf's minute meteors' (as Melf's spell of the same name), invisibility, and phantasmal forces. He also probably knows a number spells related to light, shadow, illusion, and sound not directly disclosed by the text, but all presumably of 3rd level or less. </p><p></p><p>Gandalf is armed with a unique staff +3 which is the symbol of his divinely appointed office and thus the source of his magical power. It acts as the material component for all his spell-casting and his spellbook, but it is not as far as I can tell as potent as a Staff of the Magi. He also has been known to carry a sword +2 goblin-bane, named Glamdring, and he has a unique artifact, a Ring of Elemental Command (Fire), named Narya. Narya vastly increases his ability to make things burn in a pinch, but he avoids doing it because using its powers has negative consequences - perhaps alerting Sauron to his location. The ring also appears to have some additional powers above and beyond a ring of elemental command, primarily related to instilling courage and cheer in others - probably the ability to cast Emotion or something like it a few times day. These powers he uses more freely, so its possible they - not being the sort of things Sauron is interested in - are untainted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7696546, member: 4937"] I appear to be in close agreement with Tony. In D&D terms, approximately speaking: 1e: Gandalf is an Agathion in human form with 6 additional levels of M-U (because he's an unusually powerful and knowledgeable member of his race) or perhaps simply the ability to cast spells as a 6th level M-U. 3e: Gandalf is a 6th level Wizard with the Half-Celestial template. In both cases "Gandalf" is actually Olorin is a servant of the Solar Varda, who is ruling middle-earth jointly with her spouse Manwe, in vassalage to Illuvatar (the only being with true divine rank in the setting). Gandalf is known to use the following arcane spells: affect normal fires, light, hold portal, knock, shatter, lightning bolt, fireball, produce flame, pyrotechnics, 'Gandalf's minute meteors' (as Melf's spell of the same name), invisibility, and phantasmal forces. He also probably knows a number spells related to light, shadow, illusion, and sound not directly disclosed by the text, but all presumably of 3rd level or less. Gandalf is armed with a unique staff +3 which is the symbol of his divinely appointed office and thus the source of his magical power. It acts as the material component for all his spell-casting and his spellbook, but it is not as far as I can tell as potent as a Staff of the Magi. He also has been known to carry a sword +2 goblin-bane, named Glamdring, and he has a unique artifact, a Ring of Elemental Command (Fire), named Narya. Narya vastly increases his ability to make things burn in a pinch, but he avoids doing it because using its powers has negative consequences - perhaps alerting Sauron to his location. The ring also appears to have some additional powers above and beyond a ring of elemental command, primarily related to instilling courage and cheer in others - probably the ability to cast Emotion or something like it a few times day. These powers he uses more freely, so its possible they - not being the sort of things Sauron is interested in - are untainted. [/QUOTE]
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