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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7696559" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p>LG Aasimar Lore Bard 13/ Paladin 2. Dual weilder feat [movie version] would be the closest approximation.</p><p></p><p>'Wizard' though is his title, not a statement of his class. Its the colloqual name for the 5 'Wizards' who entered ME to combat Sauron (one of whom is almost certainly a Druid, and the other most likely an Enchanment specialist).</p><p></p><p>Tolkien had this to say:</p><p></p><p><em>Wizard is a translation of Quenya istar (Sindarin ithron): one of the members of an "order" (as they call it), claiming to possess, and exhibiting, eminent knowledge of the history and nature of the World. The translation (through suitable in its relation to "wise" and other ancient words of knowing, similar to that of istar in Quenya) is not perhaps happy, since Heren Istarion or "Order of Wizards" was quite distinct from "wizards" and "magicians" of later legend; they belonged solely to the Third Age and then departed, and none save maybe Elrond, Círdan and Galadriel discovered of what kind they were or whence they came</em>.</p><p></p><p>From a mechanical standpoint, he is a Lore Bard. Expertise in persuasion, history, arcana, and insight. Cutting words and inspiration (he's famous for both - scolding people and spurring them into action; its noted in the apocryhpia that his main power was 'inspiring the fires in the hearts of men to action'. This power was amplified by the Elven ring of power he wore [Narya from memory]). He is also depicted as knowing a little bit of everything, and is even introduced into the story singing a song (he sings a few), often recites poetry and tidbits of ancient lore.</p><p></p><p>To your average inhabitant of ME, he's a mysterious 'Wizard'. To someone more knowledgable he is one of THE Wizards, an ancient order who live on ME. To anyone looking at his character sheet, he's a Lore Bard.</p><p></p><p>He can easily be fluffed from the movies and books as casting fireball [pinecones], lightning bolt [nazgul], light [moria], thaumaturgy [dont mistake me for a conjurer of cheap tricks!], shield [balrog], counterspell and telekinesis [battle with sauroman] summon animal [giant eagles], dispel magic [removing Saurons curse of Theoden] thunderwave [slamming his staff into the ground and knocking back foes], pyrotechnics [fireworks], arcane lock [magically locking the door in moria], detect magic [here is the magic door to Moria], several subtle and potent divination and enchantment effects, summon steed [shadowfax] and others.</p><p></p><p>He also has a few levels of Paladin. His divine sense allowed him to sense the Balrog before the others. He prefers to use his slots for divine smite [with Glamdring and his staff] instead of on overt shows of magical power.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 7696559, member: 6788736"] LG Aasimar Lore Bard 13/ Paladin 2. Dual weilder feat [movie version] would be the closest approximation. 'Wizard' though is his title, not a statement of his class. Its the colloqual name for the 5 'Wizards' who entered ME to combat Sauron (one of whom is almost certainly a Druid, and the other most likely an Enchanment specialist). Tolkien had this to say: [I]Wizard is a translation of Quenya istar (Sindarin ithron): one of the members of an "order" (as they call it), claiming to possess, and exhibiting, eminent knowledge of the history and nature of the World. The translation (through suitable in its relation to "wise" and other ancient words of knowing, similar to that of istar in Quenya) is not perhaps happy, since Heren Istarion or "Order of Wizards" was quite distinct from "wizards" and "magicians" of later legend; they belonged solely to the Third Age and then departed, and none save maybe Elrond, Círdan and Galadriel discovered of what kind they were or whence they came[/I]. From a mechanical standpoint, he is a Lore Bard. Expertise in persuasion, history, arcana, and insight. Cutting words and inspiration (he's famous for both - scolding people and spurring them into action; its noted in the apocryhpia that his main power was 'inspiring the fires in the hearts of men to action'. This power was amplified by the Elven ring of power he wore [Narya from memory]). He is also depicted as knowing a little bit of everything, and is even introduced into the story singing a song (he sings a few), often recites poetry and tidbits of ancient lore. To your average inhabitant of ME, he's a mysterious 'Wizard'. To someone more knowledgable he is one of THE Wizards, an ancient order who live on ME. To anyone looking at his character sheet, he's a Lore Bard. He can easily be fluffed from the movies and books as casting fireball [pinecones], lightning bolt [nazgul], light [moria], thaumaturgy [dont mistake me for a conjurer of cheap tricks!], shield [balrog], counterspell and telekinesis [battle with sauroman] summon animal [giant eagles], dispel magic [removing Saurons curse of Theoden] thunderwave [slamming his staff into the ground and knocking back foes], pyrotechnics [fireworks], arcane lock [magically locking the door in moria], detect magic [here is the magic door to Moria], several subtle and potent divination and enchantment effects, summon steed [shadowfax] and others. He also has a few levels of Paladin. His divine sense allowed him to sense the Balrog before the others. He prefers to use his slots for divine smite [with Glamdring and his staff] instead of on overt shows of magical power. [/QUOTE]
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