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<blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 7696578" data-attributes="member: 6788736"><p><em>Some </em>Orcs?</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH]75527[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Bounded accuracy is a bitch.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fingolfin managed to strike Morgoth seven times before getting crushed by Grond. He was clearly a 20th level EK using action surge. He missed with his 8th attack.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I have Gandalf the Grey as a LG Lore Bard 13/ Paladin 2. He levels up as Gandalf the White to 18th level, tacking on 2 more of Bard and 1 more of Paladin.</p><p></p><p>Aragorn is a NG Spell-less Hunter Ranger 7/ Champion fighter 3 when we first meet him. Boromir is a LN [shield master feat] champion fighter 9. Gimli is also a Champion fighter 7. Legolas is a Rogue 2 [cunning action, expertise in perception and acrobatics], Spell less hunter ranger 5. The Hobbits are all 1st level (rapidly shooting up to 3rd level) Rogue [Thieves]. Merry and Pippin later both MC as Fighters.</p><p></p><p>The Balrog of Moria is an up CR'd Balor [huge size]. As a named demon lord (and only 7 in existence), they are expressly more powerful than DnD 'common' Balors. CR 24 ballpark [OotA demon lord levels of power]. As a Fiend Gandalf was able to smite the crap out of it with divine smite [lucky he saved those spell slots fighting the Orcs previously]</p><p></p><p>Saurons power is somewhere between fallen Planetar and Deity. CR 30+ Tiamat+ levels of power. And thats his weakened form without the Ring.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Flamestrike, post: 7696578, member: 6788736"] [I]Some [/I]Orcs? [ATTACH=CONFIG]75527[/ATTACH] Bounded accuracy is a bitch. Fingolfin managed to strike Morgoth seven times before getting crushed by Grond. He was clearly a 20th level EK using action surge. He missed with his 8th attack. I have Gandalf the Grey as a LG Lore Bard 13/ Paladin 2. He levels up as Gandalf the White to 18th level, tacking on 2 more of Bard and 1 more of Paladin. Aragorn is a NG Spell-less Hunter Ranger 7/ Champion fighter 3 when we first meet him. Boromir is a LN [shield master feat] champion fighter 9. Gimli is also a Champion fighter 7. Legolas is a Rogue 2 [cunning action, expertise in perception and acrobatics], Spell less hunter ranger 5. The Hobbits are all 1st level (rapidly shooting up to 3rd level) Rogue [Thieves]. Merry and Pippin later both MC as Fighters. The Balrog of Moria is an up CR'd Balor [huge size]. As a named demon lord (and only 7 in existence), they are expressly more powerful than DnD 'common' Balors. CR 24 ballpark [OotA demon lord levels of power]. As a Fiend Gandalf was able to smite the crap out of it with divine smite [lucky he saved those spell slots fighting the Orcs previously] Saurons power is somewhere between fallen Planetar and Deity. CR 30+ Tiamat+ levels of power. And thats his weakened form without the Ring. [/QUOTE]
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