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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7696598" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>So did the Balor. The Balor is the D&D version of the Balrog. Gygax patterned it after the Balrog and gave it the power that it has. That means that D&D Gandalf killed a D&D Balor one on one. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ahh, so you're admitting that he is not a level 5 wizard, but something much more powerful. In any case, in Middle Earth he was instructed to highly limit his use of his magical powers, so he is more powerful than 6th level as a wizard, and simply didn't show it. When you limit yourself to beneath your potential, what you do show cannot be the most you can do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What Gandalf did is irrelevant. What he did was all done with him intentionally highly limiting himself. That means that since what he showed was about 6th level, he must be much higher than that in reality, but simply did not use his power to the fullest.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sauron was much weaker originally. His increased power that we see in the movies comes from the ring and what it did to him.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree. Fingolfin and Feanor would be majorly epic level PCs. Luthien was only half-maiar and she didn't have to limit herself. Gandalf did have to limit himself. Also, the Valar are waaaaay above Solars in power. Solars could not have created the universe like the Valar did. Nor could a Solar create an entire race like dwarves. The Valar ARE ridiculous and would be the equivalent to lesser to greater gods depending on which one you are talking about, with Eru being Ao in Toril.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7696598, member: 23751"] So did the Balor. The Balor is the D&D version of the Balrog. Gygax patterned it after the Balrog and gave it the power that it has. That means that D&D Gandalf killed a D&D Balor one on one. Ahh, so you're admitting that he is not a level 5 wizard, but something much more powerful. In any case, in Middle Earth he was instructed to highly limit his use of his magical powers, so he is more powerful than 6th level as a wizard, and simply didn't show it. When you limit yourself to beneath your potential, what you do show cannot be the most you can do. What Gandalf did is irrelevant. What he did was all done with him intentionally highly limiting himself. That means that since what he showed was about 6th level, he must be much higher than that in reality, but simply did not use his power to the fullest. Sauron was much weaker originally. His increased power that we see in the movies comes from the ring and what it did to him. I agree. Fingolfin and Feanor would be majorly epic level PCs. Luthien was only half-maiar and she didn't have to limit herself. Gandalf did have to limit himself. Also, the Valar are waaaaay above Solars in power. Solars could not have created the universe like the Valar did. Nor could a Solar create an entire race like dwarves. The Valar ARE ridiculous and would be the equivalent to lesser to greater gods depending on which one you are talking about, with Eru being Ao in Toril. [/QUOTE]
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