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<blockquote data-quote="Olgar Shiverstone" data-source="post: 7302870" data-attributes="member: 5868"><p>Just got back from seeing The Last Jedi … impressions (needless to say – SPOILERS AHEAD!).</p><p></p><p>Overall, a good, solid Star Wars movie. Not great – I’d certainly put it behind Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars, and Rogue One, perhaps on par with Return of the Jedi, slightly better than The Force Awakens.</p><p></p><p>Likes:</p><p>- Plot mostly wasn’t derivative – I was expecting an ESB rehash. It had pieces of that (Rey training) but not in a bad way and as necessary. Though change the opening location to Yavin and closing location to Hoth and you have a plot that shoehorns well into the original trilogy.</p><p>- Good battle scenes as bookends (with some issues, below).</p><p>- The Luke-Rey-Kylo dynamic was excellent; good character growth, tension, some backstory/history/ certain point of view appropriate to Star Wars.</p><p>- Nothing wrong with the odd lightsaber fight or two in a core movie.</p><p>- Poe’s still one hell of a pilot.</p><p>- BB-8 still steals scenes.</p><p>- Porgs are cute without going all Ewok. </p><p>- Other funky monsters & aliens, good for a Star Wars movie.</p><p>- We now know where blue milk comes from!</p><p>- Yoda nod. Cheesy, but I liked it.</p><p>- Sith apprentice nod with Kylo/Snoke. Nice to set Kylo up to be the final BBEG for the last movie.</p><p>- Luke’s … death isn’t the right word. I expected him to die; thought they handled it well. </p><p>- Rey has no special backstory. Sure, Kylo could be lying, but I hope he’s not because it’s too trite to make her a Skywalker (or Kenobi, or insert fanfic here).</p><p>- Discussion of what the Force is … without midichlorians or Star Wars physics mumbo jumbo.</p><p></p><p>Dislikes:</p><p>- Cell phone jokes at the opening. Too soon, Junior.</p><p>- The First Order is a horrible military. Like: don’t launch fighters in any of your battles (except Kylo and two wingmen) until way too late. Don’t flank – everything’s a frontal assault. Oh, and you’re chasing an opponent who is retreating at your maximum speed? Instead of chasing for days, maybe, you know … hyperspace ahead of them and cut them off?</p><p>- Flying ice Leia. I mean, Star Wars physics, but c’mon.</p><p>- Gravity bombs. In space. One baby bomber kills super-dreadnaught. Sigh … Star Wars physics getting silly.</p><p>- “I’m too smart to tell anyone my plan” Admiral. There was a plan – why not explain? Would have been a good opportunity to fix the next issue …</p><p>- The entire Finn-Rose subplot adds nothing to the movie. They wander off, accomplish exactly nothing, and end up back with everyone for the finale. You could have had a subplot with them finding a spy or tracker on the cruiser (which would have fit with the tight-lipped Admiral trying not to give an advantage to the spy) and accomplished more, plus saved 30-odd minutes of movie. Sure, you can’t introduce White Lando, but at the moment he’s pointless anyway.</p><p>- Look, all-powerful evil dude! Poof … he’s gone! Could have worked in a little Snoke and rise of First Order backstory; opportunity wasted.</p><p>- I expected Leia to die, too frankly – would have been better to kill her off in this movie.</p><p>- Resuscitating Phasma for yet another dubious death scene. Now she’s 2x as useless as Boba Fett (again, delete the whole Finn arc and it really tightens up the movie).</p><p>- Hyperwave comms mumbo-jumbo. Feels too Star Trek.</p><p>- Timelines. Seems too rushed – could have been spread out a bit more.</p><p>- First Order is mustache-twirling evil. Sure, that’s a trope – but it could be more nuanced.</p><p>- Chekov’s X-Wing didn’t pay off.</p><p>- Ackbar dying off screen.</p><p></p><p>Anyway – worth seeing, and probably worth seeing twice; I’m sure my thoughts will evolve on a second viewing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Olgar Shiverstone, post: 7302870, member: 5868"] Just got back from seeing The Last Jedi … impressions (needless to say – SPOILERS AHEAD!). Overall, a good, solid Star Wars movie. Not great – I’d certainly put it behind Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars, and Rogue One, perhaps on par with Return of the Jedi, slightly better than The Force Awakens. Likes: - Plot mostly wasn’t derivative – I was expecting an ESB rehash. It had pieces of that (Rey training) but not in a bad way and as necessary. Though change the opening location to Yavin and closing location to Hoth and you have a plot that shoehorns well into the original trilogy. - Good battle scenes as bookends (with some issues, below). - The Luke-Rey-Kylo dynamic was excellent; good character growth, tension, some backstory/history/ certain point of view appropriate to Star Wars. - Nothing wrong with the odd lightsaber fight or two in a core movie. - Poe’s still one hell of a pilot. - BB-8 still steals scenes. - Porgs are cute without going all Ewok. - Other funky monsters & aliens, good for a Star Wars movie. - We now know where blue milk comes from! - Yoda nod. Cheesy, but I liked it. - Sith apprentice nod with Kylo/Snoke. Nice to set Kylo up to be the final BBEG for the last movie. - Luke’s … death isn’t the right word. I expected him to die; thought they handled it well. - Rey has no special backstory. Sure, Kylo could be lying, but I hope he’s not because it’s too trite to make her a Skywalker (or Kenobi, or insert fanfic here). - Discussion of what the Force is … without midichlorians or Star Wars physics mumbo jumbo. Dislikes: - Cell phone jokes at the opening. Too soon, Junior. - The First Order is a horrible military. Like: don’t launch fighters in any of your battles (except Kylo and two wingmen) until way too late. Don’t flank – everything’s a frontal assault. Oh, and you’re chasing an opponent who is retreating at your maximum speed? Instead of chasing for days, maybe, you know … hyperspace ahead of them and cut them off? - Flying ice Leia. I mean, Star Wars physics, but c’mon. - Gravity bombs. In space. One baby bomber kills super-dreadnaught. Sigh … Star Wars physics getting silly. - “I’m too smart to tell anyone my plan” Admiral. There was a plan – why not explain? Would have been a good opportunity to fix the next issue … - The entire Finn-Rose subplot adds nothing to the movie. They wander off, accomplish exactly nothing, and end up back with everyone for the finale. You could have had a subplot with them finding a spy or tracker on the cruiser (which would have fit with the tight-lipped Admiral trying not to give an advantage to the spy) and accomplished more, plus saved 30-odd minutes of movie. Sure, you can’t introduce White Lando, but at the moment he’s pointless anyway. - Look, all-powerful evil dude! Poof … he’s gone! Could have worked in a little Snoke and rise of First Order backstory; opportunity wasted. - I expected Leia to die, too frankly – would have been better to kill her off in this movie. - Resuscitating Phasma for yet another dubious death scene. Now she’s 2x as useless as Boba Fett (again, delete the whole Finn arc and it really tightens up the movie). - Hyperwave comms mumbo-jumbo. Feels too Star Trek. - Timelines. Seems too rushed – could have been spread out a bit more. - First Order is mustache-twirling evil. Sure, that’s a trope – but it could be more nuanced. - Chekov’s X-Wing didn’t pay off. - Ackbar dying off screen. Anyway – worth seeing, and probably worth seeing twice; I’m sure my thoughts will evolve on a second viewing. [/QUOTE]
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