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<blockquote data-quote="Joker" data-source="post: 7303461" data-attributes="member: 826"><p>Characters. I was talking about characters when I said they were in the same position as they were at the start of the movie. I don't know how you're reading into what I'm saying as to mean the specifics of the rebel fleet and their materials.</p><p>I understand you disagree with me and feel that the characters have developed. I don't. </p><p>I see that Poe is being groomed to be a leader and his is the only real change that has been expressed. Albeit in a terribly hamfisted way.</p><p>Rey is still the same Mary Sue. Kylo is still the same troubled moody teen. Even after his apparent new resolve we see him almost cry in anger when first the Millennium Falcon shows and then when Luke moves out to confront him. </p><p>Finn's moment of change was undercut by him being saved. </p><p></p><p>I get that you liked the film. I didn't. I expect there to be real stakes for a hero in a story. Real danger, either physical or emotional. Overcoming these challenges is what qualifies as, or better, is what is necessary for true change. I never felt there to be any danger in this film. After hearing that there was no outline for episode 8 and 9 by the TFA came out, I can understand why little of that was shown in the film. It feels like a rushed job and when you have so many resources and talent at your disposal, I think that's a shame.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Joker, post: 7303461, member: 826"] Characters. I was talking about characters when I said they were in the same position as they were at the start of the movie. I don't know how you're reading into what I'm saying as to mean the specifics of the rebel fleet and their materials. I understand you disagree with me and feel that the characters have developed. I don't. I see that Poe is being groomed to be a leader and his is the only real change that has been expressed. Albeit in a terribly hamfisted way. Rey is still the same Mary Sue. Kylo is still the same troubled moody teen. Even after his apparent new resolve we see him almost cry in anger when first the Millennium Falcon shows and then when Luke moves out to confront him. Finn's moment of change was undercut by him being saved. I get that you liked the film. I didn't. I expect there to be real stakes for a hero in a story. Real danger, either physical or emotional. Overcoming these challenges is what qualifies as, or better, is what is necessary for true change. I never felt there to be any danger in this film. After hearing that there was no outline for episode 8 and 9 by the TFA came out, I can understand why little of that was shown in the film. It feels like a rushed job and when you have so many resources and talent at your disposal, I think that's a shame. [/QUOTE]
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