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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 7306127" data-attributes="member: 5143"><p>I would believe that if when was told the galaxy was in trouble that his sister was in trouble, that Han died, that he immediately said "You know what, I've been letting my mistake consume me for too long. I will come help you. I made one mistake and I will not let it define me."</p><p></p><p>Then I would have been ok with the situation. Instead, what we got was him saying "You don't understand, the Jedi were horrible people, *I* was a horrible person and the galaxy, my sister, they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. I'm here to die and don't care about all of you at all."</p><p></p><p>Even if that was his initial response and he slowly grew over the movie to go help Rey, I likely still would have been ok with it.</p><p></p><p>But instead, Rey kept believing in him while he repeatedly told her "I'm no hero. I never was a hero. My deeds weren't that important. Instead, people tell stories about how great I was. They were wrong. In fact, let me tell you why there is NO hope and you shouldn't try."</p><p></p><p>That's not the same character I remember at all. It isn't just that he has flaws now, it's that every single trait that defined him in the other movies was gone. He failed, then he repeated his failure over and over again during this movie by rejecting Rey and the rest of the galaxy and feeling sorry for himself.</p><p></p><p>The fact that he shows up at the very end feels hollow because of how long it took for him to get to that point, and the fact that his decision really doesn't end up making much of a difference at all. Sure, he let them escape, but he could have saved everyone and stopped this years ago if he hadn't given up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 7306127, member: 5143"] I would believe that if when was told the galaxy was in trouble that his sister was in trouble, that Han died, that he immediately said "You know what, I've been letting my mistake consume me for too long. I will come help you. I made one mistake and I will not let it define me." Then I would have been ok with the situation. Instead, what we got was him saying "You don't understand, the Jedi were horrible people, *I* was a horrible person and the galaxy, my sister, they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned. I'm here to die and don't care about all of you at all." Even if that was his initial response and he slowly grew over the movie to go help Rey, I likely still would have been ok with it. But instead, Rey kept believing in him while he repeatedly told her "I'm no hero. I never was a hero. My deeds weren't that important. Instead, people tell stories about how great I was. They were wrong. In fact, let me tell you why there is NO hope and you shouldn't try." That's not the same character I remember at all. It isn't just that he has flaws now, it's that every single trait that defined him in the other movies was gone. He failed, then he repeated his failure over and over again during this movie by rejecting Rey and the rest of the galaxy and feeling sorry for himself. The fact that he shows up at the very end feels hollow because of how long it took for him to get to that point, and the fact that his decision really doesn't end up making much of a difference at all. Sure, he let them escape, but he could have saved everyone and stopped this years ago if he hadn't given up. [/QUOTE]
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