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<blockquote data-quote="Quickleaf" data-source="post: 7327877" data-attributes="member: 20323"><p>I don't recall a Californian accent, but a form of British has been the accent of the Empire since ANH. I don't know how British folks feel, but as an American I was willing to suspend my disbelief because it was pervasive without being over-done; because it was pervasive it blended into the background, and became part of the Star Wars milieu.</p><p></p><p>The "Texan" alien was momentary (isolated to one scene) and the voice acting was quite over-done. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I never saw Vader as a Jedi. He was always a bad guy. I'd say he was actually a better character with how he fell from Jedi-hood being left a mystery, because the prequels did a poor job of depicting that fall.</p><p></p><p>It was especially egregious with Luke "giving up" because (a) that was part of his immature character he grew out of during the original trilogy, and (b) the radical change to his character – a character some of us already care about – is made off-camera.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I had no problem with the cinematography itself. It is beautiful, if cut together a bit too fast. I like "National Geographic." </p><p></p><p>However, it felt <em>entirely</em> off-theme, it felt like something from <em>another</em> movie inserted into a supposedly Star Wars movie. The result was jarring rather than – what I assume was intended – revelatory/inspiring. "National Geographic" felt too much like a hammer banging me over the head with the theme of balance/Tao. What would have worked instead? A quiet longer cut to Rey's face, maybe a hint of nature sounds emerging along with change in music, the expression on her face gradually changes. Star Wars has always been more subtle about Force mysticism, and that subtlety actually makes for more poignant scenes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, comparing them, Luke's training scenes on Dagobah had Yoda providing far more interesting teaching moments. Whereas Rey's were far less teaching and more communing telepathically with Kylo Ren.</p><p></p><p>In Empire Strikes Back, Yoda didn't seem to be in hiding, but rather meditating on the Force. A stark contrast to Luke having severed himself from the Force. Yoda exudes wisdom. Luke displays bitterness and regret. Very different.</p><p></p><p>And I'll agree to disagree with you on which training montage was more effective. The "nature porn" (as you call it, I prefer "National Geographic" sequence) of TLJ seemed like a blunt narrative instrument compared to the sequences with Yoda in ESB.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No worries, I get that The Last Jedi was polarizing. </p><p></p><p>"Choose to fight when you must. Don't fight to destroy your enemies. Fight to save the ones you love". That was a line in the movie, yes, but rest of the movie didn't really support that. </p><p></p><p>Luke's cynicism for one – raising his lightsaber with the thought of striking a sleeping studen? tossing the lightsaber? saying "it's time for the Jedi to end"? WHOA. And Rey trying to save Kylo only for him to double down on the Dark Side? Kylo explicitly saying "kill the past"? Codebreaker's line about "good guys, bad guys, it's all the same when you look at who makes the weapons"? Poe being misguided, rebelling against purple-hair lady, and ultimately getting stun-blasted by Leia? </p><p></p><p>All of that left me with the feeling that the movie had no real message, that it rejected the moral principles of the Jedi entirely. It was special effects, some scarce bits of pithy dialogue, jokes a plenty, cameos, obligatory chase/lightsaber scenes, but no real substance.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Quickleaf, post: 7327877, member: 20323"] I don't recall a Californian accent, but a form of British has been the accent of the Empire since ANH. I don't know how British folks feel, but as an American I was willing to suspend my disbelief because it was pervasive without being over-done; because it was pervasive it blended into the background, and became part of the Star Wars milieu. The "Texan" alien was momentary (isolated to one scene) and the voice acting was quite over-done. I never saw Vader as a Jedi. He was always a bad guy. I'd say he was actually a better character with how he fell from Jedi-hood being left a mystery, because the prequels did a poor job of depicting that fall. It was especially egregious with Luke "giving up" because (a) that was part of his immature character he grew out of during the original trilogy, and (b) the radical change to his character – a character some of us already care about – is made off-camera. I had no problem with the cinematography itself. It is beautiful, if cut together a bit too fast. I like "National Geographic." However, it felt [I]entirely[/I] off-theme, it felt like something from [I]another[/I] movie inserted into a supposedly Star Wars movie. The result was jarring rather than – what I assume was intended – revelatory/inspiring. "National Geographic" felt too much like a hammer banging me over the head with the theme of balance/Tao. What would have worked instead? A quiet longer cut to Rey's face, maybe a hint of nature sounds emerging along with change in music, the expression on her face gradually changes. Star Wars has always been more subtle about Force mysticism, and that subtlety actually makes for more poignant scenes. Well, comparing them, Luke's training scenes on Dagobah had Yoda providing far more interesting teaching moments. Whereas Rey's were far less teaching and more communing telepathically with Kylo Ren. In Empire Strikes Back, Yoda didn't seem to be in hiding, but rather meditating on the Force. A stark contrast to Luke having severed himself from the Force. Yoda exudes wisdom. Luke displays bitterness and regret. Very different. And I'll agree to disagree with you on which training montage was more effective. The "nature porn" (as you call it, I prefer "National Geographic" sequence) of TLJ seemed like a blunt narrative instrument compared to the sequences with Yoda in ESB. No worries, I get that The Last Jedi was polarizing. "Choose to fight when you must. Don't fight to destroy your enemies. Fight to save the ones you love". That was a line in the movie, yes, but rest of the movie didn't really support that. Luke's cynicism for one – raising his lightsaber with the thought of striking a sleeping studen? tossing the lightsaber? saying "it's time for the Jedi to end"? WHOA. And Rey trying to save Kylo only for him to double down on the Dark Side? Kylo explicitly saying "kill the past"? Codebreaker's line about "good guys, bad guys, it's all the same when you look at who makes the weapons"? Poe being misguided, rebelling against purple-hair lady, and ultimately getting stun-blasted by Leia? All of that left me with the feeling that the movie had no real message, that it rejected the moral principles of the Jedi entirely. It was special effects, some scarce bits of pithy dialogue, jokes a plenty, cameos, obligatory chase/lightsaber scenes, but no real substance. [/QUOTE]
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