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<blockquote data-quote="Kurotowa" data-source="post: 9062364" data-attributes="member: 27957"><p>I'll add another to the pile. One player in my pre-pandemic group had just a touch of brain damage from a catastrophic medical event. He was a very sweet guy, fun to have at the table, but he couldn't handle complex tactical choices under time pressure. He started as a Forge Cleric but realized he was never using his spells in combat, so with the DM's permission he redid the character as a Champion Fighter and was a lot happier. He was tough enough he could take point in our formation, hit hard enough to feel he was contributing, and his tactical choices were cut down to "where do I stand and who did I hit" which was within his tolerance limit.</p><p></p><p>A character who's that simple to play with only a minimal loss in effectiveness has to exist in the game. There's just too many potential use cases for people who want a PC like that. Ideally it'll be a somewhat flexible slot so that it doesn't force everyone who wants a simple PC into only one playstyle. And after you accept that it has to exist somewhere in the game, the rest is just NIMBY posturing where adherents to complex characters try to insist that some other class be the one stuck devoting page count to it.</p><p></p><p>The simple D&D class can't be a caster because spells are inherently complex. Barbarian is narrow in playstyle and Rage adds a layer of complication. Rogue similarly has a lot of tactical calculation to optimize Sneak Attack, and Monk is just hella complex. So by default it's the Fighter, one who can easily be built with different weapon focuses and playstyles, who makes the best home for it. Even if I don't want to play it, I accept that there's good reasons why the Champion Fighter can and must exist.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kurotowa, post: 9062364, member: 27957"] I'll add another to the pile. One player in my pre-pandemic group had just a touch of brain damage from a catastrophic medical event. He was a very sweet guy, fun to have at the table, but he couldn't handle complex tactical choices under time pressure. He started as a Forge Cleric but realized he was never using his spells in combat, so with the DM's permission he redid the character as a Champion Fighter and was a lot happier. He was tough enough he could take point in our formation, hit hard enough to feel he was contributing, and his tactical choices were cut down to "where do I stand and who did I hit" which was within his tolerance limit. A character who's that simple to play with only a minimal loss in effectiveness has to exist in the game. There's just too many potential use cases for people who want a PC like that. Ideally it'll be a somewhat flexible slot so that it doesn't force everyone who wants a simple PC into only one playstyle. And after you accept that it has to exist somewhere in the game, the rest is just NIMBY posturing where adherents to complex characters try to insist that some other class be the one stuck devoting page count to it. The simple D&D class can't be a caster because spells are inherently complex. Barbarian is narrow in playstyle and Rage adds a layer of complication. Rogue similarly has a lot of tactical calculation to optimize Sneak Attack, and Monk is just hella complex. So by default it's the Fighter, one who can easily be built with different weapon focuses and playstyles, who makes the best home for it. Even if I don't want to play it, I accept that there's good reasons why the Champion Fighter can and must exist. [/QUOTE]
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