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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7094831" data-attributes="member: 82504"><p>"In 1e, we get four martial classes: fighter, thief, assassin, and monk. The monk had supernatural powers, but these were generally considered to be martial powers that grew to supernatural extents through training. In that sense, they were the forerunner of "impossible" martial exploits we will see in the end of Third Edition and throughout Fourth Edition. "</p><p></p><p>Reinforcing when I say the Monk/Martial Artist class is or Ought to be Martial in some fashion I am coming from this perspective .... it was the progenitor of edgy martial powers that were mostly embraced for 4e, and shunting it off to psionic though it makes some sense if one is simulating the Dragon ball Z blastem up archetype this was not the D&D monk.</p><p></p><p>Arguably two other classes which were significantly martial in 1e Mark didnt mention were the Ranger and Paladin (the paladin were less martial in the sense that they began with magical gifts and had a well defined source for those gifts it gains its plusplus from the divine). At higher level the both the Paladin (a super class) and Ranger (a tough class almost super) were actually Gish at higher levels with prayers and spells. </p><p></p><p>I very much agree with the Ranger as Martial and even the Paladin as divine (sans proper embracing of the Divine Boons). 4es Divine boons are almost enough by themselves to cover the Paladins lower level ability assuming a somewhat generous DM. Further the ability to multi class and take rituals regardless of class could cover these latter two even if they didnt have explicit classes a Warlord with the rangery martial practices or even rituals covers the Original Ranger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 7094831, member: 82504"] "In 1e, we get four martial classes: fighter, thief, assassin, and monk. The monk had supernatural powers, but these were generally considered to be martial powers that grew to supernatural extents through training. In that sense, they were the forerunner of "impossible" martial exploits we will see in the end of Third Edition and throughout Fourth Edition. " Reinforcing when I say the Monk/Martial Artist class is or Ought to be Martial in some fashion I am coming from this perspective .... it was the progenitor of edgy martial powers that were mostly embraced for 4e, and shunting it off to psionic though it makes some sense if one is simulating the Dragon ball Z blastem up archetype this was not the D&D monk. Arguably two other classes which were significantly martial in 1e Mark didnt mention were the Ranger and Paladin (the paladin were less martial in the sense that they began with magical gifts and had a well defined source for those gifts it gains its plusplus from the divine). At higher level the both the Paladin (a super class) and Ranger (a tough class almost super) were actually Gish at higher levels with prayers and spells. I very much agree with the Ranger as Martial and even the Paladin as divine (sans proper embracing of the Divine Boons). 4es Divine boons are almost enough by themselves to cover the Paladins lower level ability assuming a somewhat generous DM. Further the ability to multi class and take rituals regardless of class could cover these latter two even if they didnt have explicit classes a Warlord with the rangery martial practices or even rituals covers the Original Ranger. [/QUOTE]
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