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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7713429" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Obviously.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Obviously not. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of football? No, it's a particular brand of RPG. And your so far from understanding the analogy that I should probably give up now, but..</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, the NFL is not a brand of football. The NFL is an organization that plays football, and that organization has a brand. Other organizations may exist that play football. Notably, those organizations by playing football are playing by (nearly) identical rules and providing a nearly identical experience, so that if the NFL were to disappear football wouldn't disappear (though it might be saying something about the popularity of football and the viability of any football organization if the NFL were to disappear). The proper analogy here would be that if D&D is to RPGs as the NFL is to football, and D&D disappeared, RPGs wouldn't go away. But D&D would be dead.</p><p></p><p>Likewise FIFA does not play (what is commonly understood to mean) football (at least in the USA)! They are a different organization that plays a completely different game commonly called soccer or 'Association Football'. That game has very different rules and offers a very different experience than football. If (gridiron) football died, but (association) football survived we would not say that football (as it is commonly used in America) isn't dead!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No of course not!!! That's my point. 'Madden NFL 17' is certainly not football. Ask anyone that's actually played football! It may be a fun game, but it's nothing like the experience of actually playing football, whether its tackle football in the field behind the barn or playing in full pads on a formal team. Someone that plays 'Madden NFL 17' is most certainly not a 'football player'! That's so obvious I'm startled to have to explain it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7713429, member: 4937"] Obviously. Obviously not. Of football? No, it's a particular brand of RPG. And your so far from understanding the analogy that I should probably give up now, but.. No, the NFL is not a brand of football. The NFL is an organization that plays football, and that organization has a brand. Other organizations may exist that play football. Notably, those organizations by playing football are playing by (nearly) identical rules and providing a nearly identical experience, so that if the NFL were to disappear football wouldn't disappear (though it might be saying something about the popularity of football and the viability of any football organization if the NFL were to disappear). The proper analogy here would be that if D&D is to RPGs as the NFL is to football, and D&D disappeared, RPGs wouldn't go away. But D&D would be dead. Likewise FIFA does not play (what is commonly understood to mean) football (at least in the USA)! They are a different organization that plays a completely different game commonly called soccer or 'Association Football'. That game has very different rules and offers a very different experience than football. If (gridiron) football died, but (association) football survived we would not say that football (as it is commonly used in America) isn't dead! No of course not!!! That's my point. 'Madden NFL 17' is certainly not football. Ask anyone that's actually played football! It may be a fun game, but it's nothing like the experience of actually playing football, whether its tackle football in the field behind the barn or playing in full pads on a formal team. Someone that plays 'Madden NFL 17' is most certainly not a 'football player'! That's so obvious I'm startled to have to explain it. [/QUOTE]
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