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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7713500" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>Rather amusing conversation.</p><p></p><p>Of course from WotC's perspective any activity inside the concept of "D&D" counts, be it board games, computer games, or TTRPGs. </p><p>And, of course from the perspective of "mainstream acceptance" any activity in which the person is engaged in recreational activity knowingly under the banner of "D&D" then all those things count.</p><p></p><p>But it is a total non sequitur (and a substantial red herring) to conflate those truths with the idea that the activities are in all ways the same. Being as this is a TTRPG community, the presumption of that filter is in place. However, it should be obvious to anyone after just a bit of context that this community was not at all assumed in the conversation. WotC isn't obligated to take TTRPG boards into account as a presumed audience when talking. (which is highly ironic to say given that the point is "mainstream") </p><p></p><p>D&D board games are different than D&D CCRPGs and also different than D&D TTRPGs. There is no implicit value judgement in that and there is no tribalism in that. (And ftf TTRPGs are different than PbP and VTT as well). Different. Just "different". In some cases, not by a lot. But different.</p><p></p><p>If you have an apple pie contest and someone tries to enter a blueberry pie, there is nothing wrong with be exclusionary. </p><p>If you have an apple pie contest and someone walks up and says "hey, you are a bunch of people who love apple pies enough to have a contest. I'm betting a lot of you like pies in general and I'd like you to tatse this blueberry pie."</p><p>A really disfunctional reply would be "that's not pie".</p><p>There are a lot of great possible replies.</p><p>"No"</p><p>"No thanks"</p><p>"I'm allergic"</p><p>"yes"</p><p>"Yes please"</p><p>"Sounds good, just please don't complicate our contest by mixing you pie into it. Hey look, there is a spare table over there."</p><p>I'm sure there are more.</p><p></p><p>WotC likes our apple pie. WotC is not hung up on our apple pie. IMHO, WotC is much more interested in other flavors of pie. They still really like *our* pie, but....</p><p></p><p>If somebody brings something relevant to our little slice of reality here, then awesome. But, again IMHO, a constructive member of this little slice would take the larger context of the material into account rather than trying to force it through our special filter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7713500, member: 957"] Rather amusing conversation. Of course from WotC's perspective any activity inside the concept of "D&D" counts, be it board games, computer games, or TTRPGs. And, of course from the perspective of "mainstream acceptance" any activity in which the person is engaged in recreational activity knowingly under the banner of "D&D" then all those things count. But it is a total non sequitur (and a substantial red herring) to conflate those truths with the idea that the activities are in all ways the same. Being as this is a TTRPG community, the presumption of that filter is in place. However, it should be obvious to anyone after just a bit of context that this community was not at all assumed in the conversation. WotC isn't obligated to take TTRPG boards into account as a presumed audience when talking. (which is highly ironic to say given that the point is "mainstream") D&D board games are different than D&D CCRPGs and also different than D&D TTRPGs. There is no implicit value judgement in that and there is no tribalism in that. (And ftf TTRPGs are different than PbP and VTT as well). Different. Just "different". In some cases, not by a lot. But different. If you have an apple pie contest and someone tries to enter a blueberry pie, there is nothing wrong with be exclusionary. If you have an apple pie contest and someone walks up and says "hey, you are a bunch of people who love apple pies enough to have a contest. I'm betting a lot of you like pies in general and I'd like you to tatse this blueberry pie." A really disfunctional reply would be "that's not pie". There are a lot of great possible replies. "No" "No thanks" "I'm allergic" "yes" "Yes please" "Sounds good, just please don't complicate our contest by mixing you pie into it. Hey look, there is a spare table over there." I'm sure there are more. WotC likes our apple pie. WotC is not hung up on our apple pie. IMHO, WotC is much more interested in other flavors of pie. They still really like *our* pie, but.... If somebody brings something relevant to our little slice of reality here, then awesome. But, again IMHO, a constructive member of this little slice would take the larger context of the material into account rather than trying to force it through our special filter. [/QUOTE]
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