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<blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7556401" data-attributes="member: 6775031"><p>I didn't know there was a formal definition of it. I just hate meta-gaming (as any good role-player should), and I've noticed that some particular GMs are fond of this sort of thing, and think that the rules against meta-gaming don't apply to them. Those GMs are the worst.</p><p></p><p>Eh, it's still meta-gaming, which is objectively bad. Having the GM declare that the Big Bad was secretly your brother all along is no different than having a player declare it, from that perspective. You're changing how the world works, based on the meta-game fact that one particular character is a PC. Some people might be more okay with it than others. I'll admit that it's better than having nothing happen, but it's still entirely unnecessary.</p><p></p><p>That goes back to my other point, about enforcing preferential outcomes. It's not cool to treat the whole game world, in which we've all invested significant time and energy, as though it's some novel you're trying to publish. Things should happen because they are the logical course of events, given the forces in effect on the world, and the choices of everyone involved. Nothing should ever happen "because it makes for a good story". "Because it makes for a good story" is right up there next to "Because you're a PC" in terms of invalid world logic.</p><p></p><p>That might be a better term for it. I'm not sure that it really covers everything I would want it to cover, because some GMs also like to use PC status as a guide for adjudicating "random" events in such a way to promote their preferred narrative. "Messing with you" is more to the point, but it's less concise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crimson Binome, post: 7556401, member: 6775031"] I didn't know there was a formal definition of it. I just hate meta-gaming (as any good role-player should), and I've noticed that some particular GMs are fond of this sort of thing, and think that the rules against meta-gaming don't apply to them. Those GMs are the worst. Eh, it's still meta-gaming, which is objectively bad. Having the GM declare that the Big Bad was secretly your brother all along is no different than having a player declare it, from that perspective. You're changing how the world works, based on the meta-game fact that one particular character is a PC. Some people might be more okay with it than others. I'll admit that it's better than having nothing happen, but it's still entirely unnecessary. That goes back to my other point, about enforcing preferential outcomes. It's not cool to treat the whole game world, in which we've all invested significant time and energy, as though it's some novel you're trying to publish. Things should happen because they are the logical course of events, given the forces in effect on the world, and the choices of everyone involved. Nothing should ever happen "because it makes for a good story". "Because it makes for a good story" is right up there next to "Because you're a PC" in terms of invalid world logic. That might be a better term for it. I'm not sure that it really covers everything I would want it to cover, because some GMs also like to use PC status as a guide for adjudicating "random" events in such a way to promote their preferred narrative. "Messing with you" is more to the point, but it's less concise. [/QUOTE]
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