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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6520009" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>I teased that one out <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?408712-What-are-the-Roles-now/page22&p=6519194&viewfull=1#post6519194" target="_blank">here</a>. What BryonD appears to be talking about when he talks about character immersion is the psychological phenomenon of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)" target="_blank">flow</a> in which to quote the Wikipedia intro "flow, also known as zone, is the mental state of operation in which a person performing an activity is fully immersed in a feeling of energized focus, full involvement, and enjoyment in the process of the activity. In essence, flow is characterized by complete absorption in what one does."</p><p></p><p>When I talk about immersion in RPGs I'm talking about the phenomenon that leads to <a href="http://nordiclarp.org/wiki/Bleed" target="_blank">bleed</a> - where you are so into the head of the person you are playing as that their emotions literally influence yours.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And this only reinforces my contention that immersion is simply another name for flow. In the <a href="http://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/1545/roleplaying-games/dissociated-mechanic" target="_blank">initial essay</a> (and one of the first blasts of the trumpet in the edition wars) The Alexandrian makes it clear that he (a) doesn't have a clue what is going on in 4e and (b) is either unwilling or unable to work it out. In specific he does not understand what is going on when a War Devil singles out a foe and why that means that the War Devil's allies might either find it easier to hit them or be more motivated to hit them. This is a failure to understand the fictional world at all, and when you don't understand what is going on flow is impossible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Quite simply that people who are used to so-called associated mechanics find them easier to understand and so find flow easier. Neither more nor less.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Another example that one group of people use immersion to refer to flow? I hope it is.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6520009, member: 87792"] I teased that one out [URL="http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?408712-What-are-the-Roles-now/page22&p=6519194&viewfull=1#post6519194"]here[/URL]. What BryonD appears to be talking about when he talks about character immersion is the psychological phenomenon of [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)"]flow[/URL] in which to quote the Wikipedia intro "flow, also known as zone, is the mental state of operation in which a person performing an activity is fully immersed in a feeling of energized focus, full involvement, and enjoyment in the process of the activity. In essence, flow is characterized by complete absorption in what one does." When I talk about immersion in RPGs I'm talking about the phenomenon that leads to [URL="http://nordiclarp.org/wiki/Bleed"]bleed[/URL] - where you are so into the head of the person you are playing as that their emotions literally influence yours. And this only reinforces my contention that immersion is simply another name for flow. In the [URL="http://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/1545/roleplaying-games/dissociated-mechanic"]initial essay[/URL] (and one of the first blasts of the trumpet in the edition wars) The Alexandrian makes it clear that he (a) doesn't have a clue what is going on in 4e and (b) is either unwilling or unable to work it out. In specific he does not understand what is going on when a War Devil singles out a foe and why that means that the War Devil's allies might either find it easier to hit them or be more motivated to hit them. This is a failure to understand the fictional world at all, and when you don't understand what is going on flow is impossible. Quite simply that people who are used to so-called associated mechanics find them easier to understand and so find flow easier. Neither more nor less. Another example that one group of people use immersion to refer to flow? I hope it is. [/QUOTE]
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