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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7843884" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I could grant 1/2 of your complaints against the screenplay of Rogue One. There are several scenes that lack clarity and involve hoop jumping, most notably the decision to continue the operation to kill the lead designer (Jyn's Father) when it has already become clear the Death Star is operational. While it made sense to try to assassinate the lead designer when the Death Star was believed to be still in development, the Rebel leadership lost its motivation for that operation once it became clear that the Death Star was complete. The mission should have logically changed to an extraction operation at this point, but that would have meant that Jyn's goals and the Rebellion's goals at that moment aligned and for some reason they screenwriters stuck with a script where they didn't and had the Rebellion ordering a strike on the R&D facility having already learned such a strike was futile. This allowed for certain predictable conflicts between the characters, but weakened the script. And there are several other moments where if you think about it, the motivations of the characters in that scene just don't make a lot of sense.</p><p></p><p>But on the whole, the script is pretty darn good and makes a whole lot of sense compared to the sheer insanity and madness that is the character motivations in 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Jedi'.</p><p></p><p>Plus, I completely disagree with you about poorly written characters. The stage settings scenes for Jyn Erso, Cassian Andor, and Orson Krennic - the three characters that drive the action in the movie - are all quality writing and tell us a huge amount about the characters in a very short order. The supporting characters are also for the most part well done, and while some of the writing around Bodhi is weak, he's eventually well realized as a character. K-2SO, Chirrut Îmwe, and Baze Malbus are well written supporting characters in a franchise known for its obsession over characters that don't get a lot of screen time, and characters like Darth Vader, Bail Organa, Mon Motha, Grand Moff Tarkin, Saw Gerrera and the like benefit from appearing in the context of series but are sufficiently well realized that if you didn't know who they were, you'd at least get the gist.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mostly I would say this is true of characters like C3P0 and R2D2 who appear in entirely fan service cameos, but I would say most of the fan service here is so subtle that you have to be a serious fan to even realize that it is fan service.</p><p></p><p>As far as your criticism of the Vader scene, it's not like we don't get Vader in overwhelming menace in 'Empire'. I didn't feel that there was any new ground in Vader's attack beyond the fact that he was not going after key protagonists, so he was actually allowed to win. And there is some merit in that I think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7843884, member: 4937"] I could grant 1/2 of your complaints against the screenplay of Rogue One. There are several scenes that lack clarity and involve hoop jumping, most notably the decision to continue the operation to kill the lead designer (Jyn's Father) when it has already become clear the Death Star is operational. While it made sense to try to assassinate the lead designer when the Death Star was believed to be still in development, the Rebel leadership lost its motivation for that operation once it became clear that the Death Star was complete. The mission should have logically changed to an extraction operation at this point, but that would have meant that Jyn's goals and the Rebellion's goals at that moment aligned and for some reason they screenwriters stuck with a script where they didn't and had the Rebellion ordering a strike on the R&D facility having already learned such a strike was futile. This allowed for certain predictable conflicts between the characters, but weakened the script. And there are several other moments where if you think about it, the motivations of the characters in that scene just don't make a lot of sense. But on the whole, the script is pretty darn good and makes a whole lot of sense compared to the sheer insanity and madness that is the character motivations in 'The Force Awakens' and 'The Last Jedi'. Plus, I completely disagree with you about poorly written characters. The stage settings scenes for Jyn Erso, Cassian Andor, and Orson Krennic - the three characters that drive the action in the movie - are all quality writing and tell us a huge amount about the characters in a very short order. The supporting characters are also for the most part well done, and while some of the writing around Bodhi is weak, he's eventually well realized as a character. K-2SO, Chirrut Îmwe, and Baze Malbus are well written supporting characters in a franchise known for its obsession over characters that don't get a lot of screen time, and characters like Darth Vader, Bail Organa, Mon Motha, Grand Moff Tarkin, Saw Gerrera and the like benefit from appearing in the context of series but are sufficiently well realized that if you didn't know who they were, you'd at least get the gist. Mostly I would say this is true of characters like C3P0 and R2D2 who appear in entirely fan service cameos, but I would say most of the fan service here is so subtle that you have to be a serious fan to even realize that it is fan service. As far as your criticism of the Vader scene, it's not like we don't get Vader in overwhelming menace in 'Empire'. I didn't feel that there was any new ground in Vader's attack beyond the fact that he was not going after key protagonists, so he was actually allowed to win. And there is some merit in that I think. [/QUOTE]
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