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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 4767316" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>She was listed as Lord of the First during 1st Edition, however this was retconned in all 2e and 3e since she was a goddess rather than an actual fiend. She still laired on Hell's first layer of Avernus, and had an interesting relationship with the archdevils. For instance her deific domain was adjacent to the main gate between Avernus and Dis, and in some capacity she and her consorts guarded the passage. Her relationship with Bel was sometimes frosty, but at the same time Tiamat worked rather closely with some of the members of the Dark 8 (the group of pit fiends empowered by Asmodeus and tasked with fighting the Blood War, as opposed to the other noble baatezu who ruled the various layers of Hell). In fact she worked closely enough with the Dark 8 that she actually conceived half-fiend/half-divine offspring with Cantrum.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Abishai are interesting creatures, because while a great many of them serve Tiamat, they're proper baatezu and normally wouldn't be in the service of a deity unless she was paying the Lords of Hell for their service. However Tiamat had a hand in their creation, as it was a collaboration between herself and on the Dark 8.</p><p></p><p>And Angels serving Tiamat only pertains to the rather different definition of "angel" in 4e.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Only in 4e, within the 4e cosmology.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 1e MotP says that Tiamat and Takhisis are the same goddess. However all material after that point that actually addresses the topic makes it clear that they're different beings. That said, yeah it's blindingly obvious that Takhisis started out as a Tiamat-clone for DL. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can provide some answers to stuff that isn't specific to 4e.</p><p></p><p>Tiamat's consorts have names, but not all of them have been mentioned by name in sourcebooks, and well, Tiamat changes consorts like people change their socks: often. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two that have been mentioned by name: Ephelemon the red dragon consort who brokered the racial pact between githyanki and red dragons, and his successor Etiol (mostly known for an artifact named after him, gifted to him by the deposed archdevil Zariel, which may have once been possessed by Gith).</p><p></p><p>Tiamat's lair was mapped out in the 2e module <em>Fires of Dis</em>. As I recall, the consorts lairs were branched off of a central cavern, itself seperated from Tiamat's lair. All my books are currently in storage, otherwise I'd be more specific.</p><p></p><p>The Maggot Pit has been described two different ways. In 2e it was a spawning ground for the creation of lemures out of larvae, tended over by the baatezu. In 3.5 it was a pit filled with big worms that ate mortal souls, and beyond that I'd need to get the book - basically it tried to retcon baatezu use of larvae to create more of their kind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 4767316, member: 11697"] She was listed as Lord of the First during 1st Edition, however this was retconned in all 2e and 3e since she was a goddess rather than an actual fiend. She still laired on Hell's first layer of Avernus, and had an interesting relationship with the archdevils. For instance her deific domain was adjacent to the main gate between Avernus and Dis, and in some capacity she and her consorts guarded the passage. Her relationship with Bel was sometimes frosty, but at the same time Tiamat worked rather closely with some of the members of the Dark 8 (the group of pit fiends empowered by Asmodeus and tasked with fighting the Blood War, as opposed to the other noble baatezu who ruled the various layers of Hell). In fact she worked closely enough with the Dark 8 that she actually conceived half-fiend/half-divine offspring with Cantrum. Abishai are interesting creatures, because while a great many of them serve Tiamat, they're proper baatezu and normally wouldn't be in the service of a deity unless she was paying the Lords of Hell for their service. However Tiamat had a hand in their creation, as it was a collaboration between herself and on the Dark 8. And Angels serving Tiamat only pertains to the rather different definition of "angel" in 4e. Only in 4e, within the 4e cosmology. The 1e MotP says that Tiamat and Takhisis are the same goddess. However all material after that point that actually addresses the topic makes it clear that they're different beings. That said, yeah it's blindingly obvious that Takhisis started out as a Tiamat-clone for DL. ;) I can provide some answers to stuff that isn't specific to 4e. Tiamat's consorts have names, but not all of them have been mentioned by name in sourcebooks, and well, Tiamat changes consorts like people change their socks: often. Off the top of my head, I can only think of two that have been mentioned by name: Ephelemon the red dragon consort who brokered the racial pact between githyanki and red dragons, and his successor Etiol (mostly known for an artifact named after him, gifted to him by the deposed archdevil Zariel, which may have once been possessed by Gith). Tiamat's lair was mapped out in the 2e module [i]Fires of Dis[/i]. As I recall, the consorts lairs were branched off of a central cavern, itself seperated from Tiamat's lair. All my books are currently in storage, otherwise I'd be more specific. The Maggot Pit has been described two different ways. In 2e it was a spawning ground for the creation of lemures out of larvae, tended over by the baatezu. In 3.5 it was a pit filled with big worms that ate mortal souls, and beyond that I'd need to get the book - basically it tried to retcon baatezu use of larvae to create more of their kind. [/QUOTE]
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